Scottie Pippen: LeBron Greatest Ever

[rocky_balboa23]

Man Kevin Johnson was a monster for PHX back in the day. Glen and Houston had that 3 stroke that was just straight ******. Mitch was a damn good player though. I'll give him his props, but he wasn't the only other 2 guard in Jordan's era at all.

Sean Elliot





It feels like yesterday when Elliot made that shot against Blazers.
90's guards are good. I guess I was watching too much MJ during that time

[Konstantin]

MJ was lucky he grew up in the years the info age was just getting started. He was getting exposure to tons of people, but nothing to deep. These days everyone knows every little flaw, every little thing you say.

LeBron is considered egotistical and stuck up nowadays. Imagine what people would have thought of Jordan. He would have haters out the ass.

I think it will be interesting to see how technology continues to influence our opinions of sports figures when it comes, very soon, to the day we are analyzing everything from how many dribbles someone takes at the top of the key to how they are actually dribbling the ball.

[Tamis!]

Looks like a lot of people either don't realize how great MJ is or they're just talkin' outta their azzes.

[Stromprophet]

"Jordan best scorer ever but I may go as far as to say LeBron James may be the greatest player to ever play the game."

It was a vague statement.

He was saying it's possible Lebron may be the best NBA player ever.

Jordan has already been defending the notion, calling out Lebron for "getting with other superstars" .....................*Which has to be one of the most laughable statements of the past year.....*

Let me see.....

A) Jordan played with Scottie Pippen. Pippen is one of the top 50 players in the NBA all time. SOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...........what's wrong with Lebron getting with other superstars?

Give me a break. Oh, and Dennis Rodman to get the 72 win season. Hmmmmmmmmm.

(And it's nonsense that Jordan made Scottie a HOF. Look at Jordans career assist numbers. While Jordan certainly drew defenses, he usually took the shot and allowed other players to play their roles)

B) Lebron carried a nothing team to an NBA final and 4 eastern conference championships.....*By himself* ------------

Let's rewind. The teams of Jordans day were weaker. Period. What "Superstar" teams were there? By the time 91 came around, the Celtics and Lakers were fading. And no other team was comparable to some of the superstar teams today.

The Knicks? Rockets? Jazz? Etc, etc. There were "good teams" but no superstar teams.

Tell me one team (besides the Bulls, who had 2 HOFs, and all-stars on the roster) in the 90s that was a real superstar team? Ala...

2000-2003 Lakers, 2 HOFs + Allstars, 2000-2007 San Antonio, Several HOFs + Multiple Allstars, Lakers again with again multiple superstars and HOFs players, Celtics, Multiple superstars and HOFs. The only team in the last 10 years to even win a Championship without multiple HOF players was the Detroit Pistons.

They had the right team mix and were able to beat an uncommitted Lakers (they were falling apart).

The *Whole Point here in B* --- Jordan never carried the Bulls to a finals series by himself against a league with the concentrated talent at the top. Never. He had another HOFer with him from the beginning (and didn't even win a championship till he was 30+).

C) Notice when Jordan quit in 94 how good the Bulls remained....

Uh.........they not only made the playoffs still, they won series. So it's kind of obvious the supporting cast was good.

Let's look at Cleveland. Best regular season record the last 2 years. He leaves. 2nd worst record in the league, break the all time losing streak at 30 games or however many they lost in a row.

D) Why not say that the Celtics players from the 50s, and 60s are the best ever? If the argument is about having Championships.

E) Statistically these guys are pretty close.

Jordan was a better FT shooter, one reason why he has a higher PPG. Jordan also averaged more steals.

However, Lebron averages almost 2 more assists a game, and 1 more RPG, and is a better 3 point shooter.

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It's certainly early. For all we know Lebron could get injured and not finish his career. So how about we see where the seasons take him.

IMO, He did what he should have done a long time ago. It was a mistake to sign the extension in Cleveland. He could have been with a better team for years.

The Bulls were extremely Lucky to be able to get two young HOFs and keep them together into second contracts, and even then it took 7 years to get a Championship.

Playing with other Superstars is the only way to win Championships. Jordan did it. Lebron is seeing the benefits now.

[Stromprophet]

LeBron is considered egotistical and stuck up nowadays. Imagine what people would have thought of Jordan. He would have haters out the ass.

Plus everyone would have known how much he cheated on his wife all the time.

Kobe would have looked light by comparison.

[Tamis!]

It was a vague statement.

He was saying it's possible Lebron may be the best NBA player ever.

Jordan has already been defending the notion, calling out Lebron for "getting with other superstars" .....................*Which has to be one of the most laughable statements of the past year.....*

Let me see.....

A) Jordan played with Scottie Pippen. Pippen is one of the top 50 players in the NBA all time. SOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...........what's wrong with Lebron getting with other superstars?

Give me a break. Oh, and Dennis Rodman to get the 72 win season. Hmmmmmmmmm.

(And it's nonsense that Jordan made Scottie a HOF. Look at Jordans career assist numbers. While Jordan certainly drew defenses, he usually took the shot and allowed other players to play their roles)

B) Lebron carried a nothing team to an NBA final and 4 eastern conference championships.....*By himself* ------------

Let's rewind. The teams of Jordans day were weaker. Period. What "Superstar" teams were there? By the time 91 came around, the Celtics and Lakers were fading. And no other team was comparable to some of the superstar teams today.

The Knicks? Rockets? Jazz? Etc, etc. There were "good teams" but no superstar teams.

Tell me one team (besides the Bulls, who had 2 HOFs, and all-stars on the roster) in the 90s that was a real superstar team? Ala...

2000-2003 Lakers, 2 HOFs + Allstars, 2000-2007 San Antonio, Several HOFs + Multiple Allstars, Lakers again with again multiple superstars and HOFs players, Celtics, Multiple superstars and HOFs. The only team in the last 10 years to even win a Championship without multiple HOF players was the Detroit Pistons.

They had the right team mix and were able to beat an uncommitted Lakers (they were falling apart).

The *Whole Point here in B* --- Jordan never carried the Bulls to a finals series by himself against a league with the concentrated talent at the top. Never. He had another HOFer with him from the beginning (and didn't even win a championship till he was 30+).

C) Notice when Jordan quit in 94 how good the Bulls remained....

Uh.........they not only made the playoffs still, they won series. So it's kind of obvious the supporting cast was good.

Let's look at Cleveland. Best regular season record the last 2 years. He leaves. 2nd worst record in the league, break the all time losing streak at 30 games or however many they lost in a row.

D) Why not say that the Celtics players from the 50s, and 60s are the best ever? If the argument is about having Championships.

E) Statistically these guys are pretty close.

Jordan was a better FT shooter, one reason why he has a higher PPG. Jordan also averaged more steals.

However, Lebron averages almost 2 more assists a game, and 1 more RPG, and is a better 3 point shooter.

_________________
It's certainly early. For all we know Lebron could get injured and not finish his career. So how about we see where the seasons take him.

IMO, He did what he should have done a long time ago. It was a mistake to sign the extension in Cleveland. He could have been with a better team for years.

The Bulls were extremely Lucky to be able to get two young HOFs and keep them together into second contracts, and even then it took 7 years to get a Championship.

Playing with other Superstars is the only way to win Championships. Jordan did it. Lebron is seeing the benefits now.

You typically answered what Jordan had and Lebron didn't....LASTING LEGACY!

Jordan leaving the Bulls in 94 had Scottie Pippen and the rest of the Bulls challenging themselves to be better, even making it to the eastern conference finals only to lose to eventual EC champs Knicks, who lost to Hakeem and The Houston Rockets in the NBA finals. Everyone counted out the bulls without Jordan and depicted them to perform the worst, but they chose not to, almost all of them said one time after Jordan left that they'll prove they can be formidable without Jordan, coz they wanted to emulate what Jordan did to their team.

ODOH, Lebron leaving the Cavs in bad taste and all those attention centered around him didn't even had the remaining players challenging themselves, instead putting all of 'emselves to performing like **** the rest of the season and seemed to be proud of it.

If you look at the bigger picture, the man who leaves a lasting legacy for the others to follow his greatness making them strive to be the best as well, is even greater than the man leaving for his own self reclamation.

It's not always what you can do individually, it's how many you can lead to follow your footsteps.

[Konstantin]

You typically answered what Jordan had and Lebron didn't....LASTING LEGACY!

Jordan leaving the Bulls in 94 had Scottie Pippen and the rest of the Bulls challenging themselves and be better, even making it to the eastern conference finals only to lose to eventual EC champs Knicks, who lost to Hakeem and The Houston Rockets in the NBA finals.

ODOH, Lebron leaving the Cavs in bad taste and all those attention centered around him didn't even had the remaining players challenging themselves, instead putting all of 'emselves to performing like **** the rest of the season and seemed to be proud of it.

If you look at the bigger picture, the man who leaves a lasting legacy for the others to follow his greatness making them strive to be the best as well, is even greater than the man leaving for his own self reclamation.

It's not always what you can do individually, it's how many you can lead to follow your footsteps.

Here's how you know your talking to a fan boy with no grasp on reality. This statement right here is really funny because it's completely unprovable and it puts Jordan in a good light. It takes the accomplishments of a team led by Pippen, a team where Pippen was the man, and attributes them to Jordan. And probably the opposite is true.

Yeah, I remember reading all those articles about how Jordan was such a great teammate and all his teammates loved him About how he was keeping in touch with the team while he was gone and inspiring them.

[Stromprophet]

Looks like a lot of people either don't realize how great MJ is or they're just talkin' outta their azzes.

It's about objectivity.

He was great. To be sure.

However, you can't just discount all the advantages he had.

Was there *any* team (besides the bulls) in the 90s that was as good as the super teams today?

Lakers (2000-2003, 2009-2010)
SA (3 championships in the 2000s)
Celtics (The last 4 years)

The answer is no. No matter how you look at it. Today the talent has congregated on a very few teams and basically everyone is on the outside looking in. The Bulls happened to be the *only* super team of the 90s.

The Bulls just also happened to be able to draft 2 Top 50 all time players and keep them together for 7 years to get to win a championship. *When's the last time that happened without free agency*

Jordan had *one of the best forwards to ever play basketball on his team*

And have you ever seen more preferential push off treatment? I can remember when he hit that shot to beat the Jazz in the finals. Never seen a more ridiculous sweep shove to get clearance.

Some people need to get over being glossy eyed and be objective. Yes he was great, yes he knew how to score when it mattered (after he was 30, I guess before then he must not have known how???).

[Tamis!]

Here's how you know your talking to a fan boy with no grasp on reality. This statement right here is really funny because it's completely unprovable and it puts Jordan in a good light. It takes the accomplishments of a team led by Pippen, a team where Pippen was the man, and attributes them to Jordan. And probably the opposite is true.

Yeah, I remember reading all those articles about how Jordan was such a great teammate and all his teammates loved him About how he was keeping in touch with the team while he was gone and inspiring them.

From an outsider looking in I could be wrong mate you see. Just take it with a pinch of salt and say "what the hell does he know".

When all's done, Jordan's legacy was always imprinted in history with the bulls and proven or not, it is what it is.

[Stromprophet]

Jordan leaving the Bulls in 94 had Scottie Pippen and the rest of the Bulls challenging themselves to be better

What????????

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

Yes, that's why they continued to win.

A) Ask anyone objectively. Scottie Pippen is on of the top 50 players in NBA history. Period.

B) The rest of the league had no super dominant team, so yes, the Bulls were able to win play off games.

Everyone counted out the bulls without Jordan and depicted them to perform the worst, but they chose not to, almost all of them said one time after Jordan left that they'll prove they can be formidable without Jordan, coz they wanted to emulate what Jordan did to their team.

Blah, blah, blah.

Just admit the Bulls had a *very, very* good team around their best player.

*JUST ADMIT IT*

ODOH, Lebron leaving the Cavs in bad taste and all those attention centered around him didn't even had the remaining players challenging themselves, instead putting all of 'emselves to performing like **** the rest of the season and seemed to be proud of it.

Let's focus on basketball and not conjecture about the "character" of the men. Jordan had bad character too, he was graced to not live in the internet age of knowing everything about everyone.

NBA players do not lose 30 games in a row if they deserve to be in the NBA. That tells you the simple truth.

That team did not have the role players (aka John Paxton, BJ to hit threes, strong fowards aka Horace Grant, Scottie Pippen, a rebounding machine aka Dennis Rodman, etc, etc)

The brought so many people in and out of cleveland it was ridiculous. Shaq, Wallace, etc. They didn't keep a unit together and develop the players roles around the leader and they *didn't get a second prime superstar* which is what you need in the NBA.

Yes or No. 9 of the last 10 Championship teams had 2 superstars *at least* on their teams. HOF players. And additional all-stars.

That's why it is funny *Jordan hating on Lebron for getting with other superstars*

“There’s no way, with hindsight, I would’ve ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, ‘Hey, look, let’s get together and play on one team,” Jordan said.

??????? This is what Jordan said.

Hello! You had Scottie Pippen on your team!!!

Bosh is Larry Bird? Magic? Are you kidding me?

And Bird and Magic??? When Jordan started finally winning championships, Bird and Magic were well past their prime on the downside.

Fact is the Bulls had 2 superstar HOFers, and the Heat do as well. Bosh is a good all-star, which the Bulls also had.

Jordan is a hater.