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    Leverkusen aren't better than Dortmund. Dortmund's entire back 4 and Gundogan is out injured, that's the only reason they're 3rd.

    I didn't see either game but Leverkusen obviously did something wrong to get twatted home and away by that United team.

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      They just did nothing tbh, very very lacklustre.

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        United looked what they are - a powerful counter attacking team.

        Not being funny, but United wont win 5-nil away against any team in the top flight of English footy.

        Neither will Chelsea and I doubt Arsenal and City will either.

        Leverkusen were incompetent. Just like Schalke. I actually now suspect Chelsea may actually be ****e since we have been ****ed twice by Basel but Schalke just rolled over for us.

        I think the Germans are fostering a football culture that benefits their national side but their clubs are pretty lightweight and beatable - outside of a monstrous Bayern team and Dortmund are also a good side. All the others are Aston Villa with a high line.

        I am pretty sure someone will bury Pep's Bayern this season in the CL playing straight up counter attacking footy. I even think Chelsea could do it. But Real would take them to the cleaners for certain.
        Last edited by Sparked_26; 11-28-2013, 04:03 PM.

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          Originally posted by BEDROOM BULLY View Post
          ****k of hater..

          You must be happy Bale has managed to put together a run.. still not worth 85m pounds though
          hater? you agree with that comment?


          No Bale is not worth 85m but he probably is work more to Spurs right now.

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            I was at the Madrid-Galatasaray game, Isco was brilliant. We did a lot of Johnny Woodgate chants.

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              Ramsey scores a bullet header. Just another day in his life

              He's giving Cardiff a

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                Ozil is not particularly fit is he?

                He always looks like he is blowing out of his arse in the 2nd half.

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                  Another goal by the Gunners.

                  0-2 Arsenal.

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                    ****ing ramsey .

                    2 goals for this lad.

                    Arsenal 0-3.

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                      These are the kind of games and wins arsenal need to put together. Could have been tricky at Cardiff, it was tight and tense until the second goal.

                      They have to win games like this, especially with their run of games in December.

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