PS3 for $599??

[GunStar]

This system will probably dominate this year.



I'm not a big fan of the newer systems, but Sony is a much better system then XBOX. Fact is XBOX 360 doesn't have many Japanese developers, most of the great games I've played came from Japan. I'm an American & I can easily admit Japan rules when it comes to great games. The American developers are not good, period!

[drez24]

you saw one game and concluded that there's no difference in the graphic department between the 2 systems? Seriously, you want me to believe that?

LOL, so games/icons like Resident Evil, GTA, FF, MSG, Tekken etc will all come out on XBOX too eh? LOL, what? 1-2 years after it's released on the PS3? LMAO!!!!!! By that time, another sequel is already being made for the PS3. That's why Sony will have success all the time.

and no, this nationality thing of yours doesn't work. Cmon man. People know what system is good and give them the best entertainment value. No one is going in fron of an EB World store saying "Oh, Im getting this system because it is American. Go USA". They know what to buy and it showed with the PS2. Seriously. LOL!

I'll address this in reverse order.

First, I'm not saying people do it in the US, I would stake my bank account on the fact that there has probably never been a case of someone buying an xbox over a ps because its "more american." That said, I definitely think it goes down in Japan. I think I read that in a few magazines. I don't have sources, we'll just have to disagree on this one.

Resident Evil 4 was a Nintendo exclusive, and was released for the ps months after it was old for gamecube. My point being that ps isn't the end all be all for exclusives. There will be exclusives, sure (not as many as years past)... but I'm talking about developers. Like I said, there were rumors saying entire companies like SquareEA were not going to make games for the xbox... its simply not true. All developers will make games for all systems sans sony for microsoft and vice versa.

Finally, I am not coming to that conclusion after seeing one game. I'm sure the graphics for the PS3 are better than the 360. There is a better processor in the sony. I'm just saying this goes back to one of my earlier posts: The graphics between the two are almost identical to the casual gamer. PS3 "blowing away" the 360 in graphics probably consists of a few shading effects that only game developers notice. Now... if you want to talk about the graphics on the Wii... I will definitely give you that, because the Wii is worlds away from the ps and the xbox, which is very noticable to the casual gamer.

Side note: IBM has the gaming industry by the balls. They produce all three chips for all three systems.

[MetalVomit]

PS2 > XBOX

PS3 will > XBOX 360.

The only thing Microsoft has going for them is graphics. Sony ****s on XBOX as far as game titles, and variety go.

Speaking of which, I'm looking foward to that new Hitman:Blood Money. I see that hand to hand combat is available now, I saw a video of Agent 47 headbutting this guy right in the ****ing face. Can't wait.

[Jarlaxle]

you saw one game and concluded that there's no difference in the graphic department between the 2 systems? Seriously, you want me to believe that?

LOL, so games/icons like Resident Evil, GTA, FF, MSG, Tekken etc will all come out on XBOX too eh? LOL, what? 1-2 years after it's released on the PS3? LMAO!!!!!! By that time, another sequel is already being made for the PS3. That's why Sony will have success all the time.

Really when you guys have to name Tekken, and FF, as an example or GTA, Hitman, and Res Evil which are multiplatform its make the PS 3's exclusives look bad. FF is dated old-hat garbage that feels like a mini game compared to Oblivion. Tekken has not been great since the PS 1/arcade days. I would never trade in the 360 for a PS 3 it has more, and better games that also fit my taste but damn if I was going to buy a PS 3 it would not be for games that are already on the 360, junk I hate like FF, fighting games that havent improved in almost ten years like Tekken.

Also drez the PS 2 had a better processer then the Xbox. That not going to give it better graphics.

[drez24]

Also drez the PS 2 had a better processer then the Xbox. That not going to give it better graphics.

Touche.

Either way, it is expected that IF the software can keep up with the hardware, that ps3 will have better graphics than the 360. But it is definitely questionable if thats even possible. even if it gets done, the difference will most likely be barely noticeable.

[unit021]

Really when you guys have to name Tekken, and FF, as an example or GTA, Hitman, and Res Evil which are multiplatform its make the PS 3's exclusives look bad. FF is dated old-hat garbage that feels like a mini game compared to Oblivion. Tekken has not been great since the PS 1/arcade days. I would never trade in the 360 for a PS 3 it has more, and better games that also fit my taste but damn if I was going to buy a PS 3 it would not be for games that are already on the 360, junk I hate like FF, fighting games that havent improved in almost ten years like Tekken.

Also drez the PS 2 had a better processer then the Xbox. That not going to give it better graphics.

you would be hella hated on a tekken board. but that's your personal opinion and i respect that. but fact of the matter, is that Tekken Tag is seen as the greatest Tekken game (even if it is kinda broken). i brought up exclusivity because there will be people who will buy a system mainly to follow a franchise. hmm, and Tekken has new features such as Just frames, crush system and other features. and i may prefer FF over Oblivion. but i think that the game must be pretty good to make it to 13 different main title games. but that's besides the point.

you're speaking very subjectively on this. actually we all are, but the fact of the matter on who will do better in terms of sales will be based on the consumers. pricing is goin to be an issue, but when price is an issue, the retailers will always spin a way to make people buy it. i did it when i worked retail. do people really need the more expensive version of the PS3? do people really need the HDMI out for the 360? there are so many ways to spin that it's not even funny. after pricing comes game selection and after that will be multimedia uses. in the end, the tech specs prolly won't matter.

[Jarlaxle]

you would be hella hated on a tekken board. but that's your personal opinion and i respect that. but fact of the matter, is that Tekken Tag is seen as the greatest Tekken game (even if it is kinda broken). i brought up exclusivity because there will be people who will buy a system mainly to follow a franchise. hmm, and Tekken has new features such as Just frames, crush system and other features. and i may prefer FF over Oblivion. but i think that the game must be pretty good to make it to 13 different main title games. but that's besides the point.

What is this just frams system? Where was it six years ago? Tekken is typical base fighting game no better then DOA, FN 3, Def Jam 2, and simply worse then SC 3 and VF 4. If you said the PS 3 is worth buying for VF 5 or SC 3 I might feel ya but Tekken?

Tekken is popular simply because it was good on the popular PS 1 whe the PS 1's had ppor fighting games but now the genre has cought up and some have passed Tekken. Now its just a typical base fighting game.

Also have you played Oblivion?? It makes FF look like a joke.
I'll give Squaresoft props when its do. Their RPGs are stale. The last time they came with something new and fresh it was Bushido Blade. Whe it comes to RPGs I'm not kidding. Play Oblivion and see.. then talk

you're speaking very subjectively on this. actually we all are, but the fact of the matter on who will do better in terms of sales will be based on the consumers. pricing is goin to be an issue, but when price is an issue, the retailers will always spin a way to make people buy it. i did it when i worked retail. do people really need the more expensive version of the PS3? do people really need the HDMI out for the 360? there are so many ways to spin that it's not even funny. after pricing comes game selection and after that will be multimedia uses. in the end, the tech specs prolly won't matter.

HDMI for the 360? You mean HDMI for the PS 3 and HDD for the 360.
Its not sunjective look at last months software numbers.
PlayStation 2 $29,239,730 206,995
PlayStation Portable $36,861,950 162,438

Xbox $6,772,341 38,987
Xbox 360 $113,592,800 295,381

Game Boy Advance $13,478,950 169,115
GameCube $3,699,169 38,028
Nintendo DS $19,049,660 138,427

1 PS2 KINGDOM HEARTS II Square Enix
2 360 T. CLANCYS GHOST RECON: ADVANCED WARFIGHTER Ubi Soft
3 360 ELDER SCROLLS IV: OBLIVION Take 2 Interactive
4 360 MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL 2K6 Take 2 Interactive
5 360 BATTLEFIELD 2: MODERN COMBAT Electronic Arts
6 360 TOMB RAIDER: LEGEND Eidos
7 PS2 THE GODFATHER: THE GAME Electronic Arts
8 PS2 MLB '06: THE SHOW Sony
9 PS2 MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL 2K6 Take 2 Interactive
10 PS2 TOMB RAIDER: LEGEND Eidos
11 PS2 TOURIST TROPHY: THE REAL RIDING SIMULATOR Sony
12 360 FIGHT NIGHT ROUND 3 Electronic Arts
13 PS2 GUITAR HERO BUNDLE RedOctane
14 XBX MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL 2K6 Take 2 Interactive
15 360 CALL OF DUTY 2 Activision
16 PS2 NBA BALLERS: PHENOM Midway
17 PS2 ICE AGE 2: THE MELTDOWN Vivendi
18 PS2 GOD OF WAR Sony
19 360 FAR CRY: INSTINCTS PREDATOR Ubi Soft
20 NDS METROID PRIME: HUNTERS Nintendo
21 XBX THE GODFATHER: THE GAME Electronic Arts
22 360 FINAL FANTASY XI ONLINE Square Enix
23 PS2 BLACK Electronic Arts
24 360 BLAZING ANGELS: SQUADRONS OF WWII Ubi Soft
25 GCN SONIC RIDERS Sega

Thats crazy the system only has 6 million users and its selling software better then the PS 2 that has "100 million"
10 of last months top 25 games were on the 360

[unit021]

What is this just frams system? Where was it six years ago. Tekken is typical base fighting game no better then DOA, FN 3, Def Jam 2, and far behinde SC 3 and VF 4. If you said the PS 3 is worth buying for VF 5 or SC 3 I might feel ya but Tekken?

Tekken is popular simply because it was good on the popular PS 1 now its just a typical base fighting game.

Also have you played Oblivion?? It makes FF look like a joke. I'm not kidding. Play Oblivion and see.. then talk

HDMI for the 360? You mean HDMI for the PS 3 and HDD for the 360.
Its not sunjective look at last months software numbers.
PlayStation 2 $29,239,730 206,995
PlayStation Portable $36,861,950 162,438

Xbox $6,772,341 38,987
Xbox 360 $113,592,800 295,381

Game Boy Advance $13,478,950 169,115
GameCube $3,699,169 38,028
Nintendo DS $19,049,660 138,427

1 PS2 KINGDOM HEARTS II Square Enix
2 360 T. CLANCYS GHOST RECON: ADVANCED WARFIGHTER Ubi Soft
3 360 ELDER SCROLLS IV: OBLIVION Take 2 Interactive
4 360 MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL 2K6 Take 2 Interactive
5 360 BATTLEFIELD 2: MODERN COMBAT Electronic Arts
6 360 TOMB RAIDER: LEGEND Eidos
7 PS2 THE GODFATHER: THE GAME Electronic Arts
8 PS2 MLB '06: THE SHOW Sony
9 PS2 MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL 2K6 Take 2 Interactive
10 PS2 TOMB RAIDER: LEGEND Eidos
11 PS2 TOURIST TROPHY: THE REAL RIDING SIMULATOR Sony
12 360 FIGHT NIGHT ROUND 3 Electronic Arts
13 PS2 GUITAR HERO BUNDLE RedOctane
14 XBX MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL 2K6 Take 2 Interactive
15 360 CALL OF DUTY 2 Activision
16 PS2 NBA BALLERS: PHENOM Midway
17 PS2 ICE AGE 2: THE MELTDOWN Vivendi
18 PS2 GOD OF WAR Sony
19 360 FAR CRY: INSTINCTS PREDATOR Ubi Soft
20 NDS METROID PRIME: HUNTERS Nintendo
21 XBX THE GODFATHER: THE GAME Electronic Arts
22 360 FINAL FANTASY XI ONLINE Square Enix
23 PS2 BLACK Electronic Arts
24 360 BLAZING ANGELS: SQUADRONS OF WWII Ubi Soft
25 GCN SONIC RIDERS Sega

Thats crazy the system only has 6 million users and its selling software better then the PS 2 that has "100 million"

actually a lot of people hated SC2 and SC3 as it didn't live up to the original Soul Calibur. look at the entries for last years EVO tourny. the competitive fighting game scene and the SC community weren't that happy with it. and the just frame system was in Tekken 2 as a reversal for King's Figure 4 throw and for Lei's drunken punch rush. it wasn't fully utilized until Tekken 4. and a system such as this one was first seen in the Tobal #1 series of fighting games that Square released for the PS1. since then virtua fighter has also instituted a system that is comparable to the just frame system. and i did mention that VF5 is one of the reasons why i want a PS3. while Tekken isn't as technical as VF, saying it's a base fighting game is pretty far fetched. it's not a button mashing game where random people can win (well depending on good you are anyways) but there is depth to the game that makes it more than just a "base" fighting game. and as far as FF being a joke, that's some joke being around for 12 main games and being regarded as one of the best RPG's ever.

i don't think comparing numbers is fair at this point. not an 360 to a PS2. mainly for two reasons, people want things that are new, and the price points are totally different. it's easy to see why MS made $113.5 million of their 360 sales when the cost of the system and its peripherals varies from $399.99 to $1495.96 (prices from gamestop.com). comparing that to a system that now retails for $129.99 isn't really fair if we're talkin about overall profit. if we're talkin just about units, then i assume that's fair. but i'm not sure how units are tracked. the other thing that i want to know are the numbers based worldwide of just US? cause i'm assuming that the 6 million and 100 million for shipped 360's and PS2's respectively, is a worldwide number. are the numbers for the software also worldwide? it's hard to reflect sales when comparing a world number to a regional number. if those software numbers are from a worldwide source, then good for MS. as that shows that they can survive in this highly competitive market. if not, then those numbers don't really matter per se. and also, the main comp for the PS2 was the original XBOX, the 360 is lumped into the next generation of consoles, so by definition the PS3 and the Wii are goin to be its major competition.

i said it when i first got into this thread, the sales of these machines are goin to be based around different things, and the number one thing is going to be customer loyalty. this has turned into a SONY fanboy vs MS fanboy debate. there's no way to tell which system is better until both systems live out their lifespans. i still think that the greatest system i ever played was the Dreamcast, and that sold horribly when its competition arrived. but the DC offered a lot more to me as a gamer than the other systems at the time. and i'm assuming that's how you feel about the 360 versus any other system at the moment.

all of this is preference. that's all it is. that's why i said you were speakin subjectively. fact of the matter is that it's all subjective and if we talk numbers, then we also need to discuss competition and social factors that come with consumer decisions.

[Jarlaxle]

This system will probably dominate this year.



I'm not a big fan of the newer systems, but Sony is a much better system then XBOX. Fact is XBOX 360 doesn't have many Japanese developers, most of the great games I've played came from Japan. I'm an American & I can easily admit Japan rules when it comes to great games. The American developers are not good, period!

If all you have had was the PS 1 and 2 what would you know of Europe's, The US and Canada's work? Sony has had pretty average western support with both of their consoles. The 360 has at the very least average Japanese support so far. As you can see from above its selling games and everyone wants to make $$$ so the Japanese support will get better.


unit021

I stated on these boards that Sony would at least sell more consoles while MS would have an advantage in software. I said this before the price was announced. So I conceded a while ago that Sony had the mainstream but they don’t have it locked to the point where they can overcome such a large head start with that price while blatantly copying what MS and Nintendo are doing.

After the first five months of hardcore gamers, rich folks and die hard Sony fans buying the console if Sony does not drop the price MS will be a strong front runner in the US and Canada. This has nothing to do with me owning a 360 that’s just basic business.

The reason why I call FF a joke is because after all of these years its never had its "Resident Evil 5" Its never had that game that rewrote the genre and reached out to new fans who werent sick of its style years ago. Res evil was getting pretty stale so they shook things up with FF its always been RPG lite, strategy lite, 3rd grade story cheese. With Oblivion its action heavy, story mature, and roleplaying is where it makes FF look like a joke.

[Manny_P]

If all you have had was the PS 1 and 2 what would you know of Europe's, The US and Canada's work. Sony has had poor western support with both of their consoles. Also the 360 has plenty Japanese support so far. As you can see from above its selling games and everyone wants to make $$$.


unit021

I stated on these boards that Sony would at least sell more consoles while MS would have an advantage in software. I said this before the price was announced. So I conceded a while ago that Sony had the mainstream but they don’t have it locked to the point where they can overcome such a large head start with that price while blatantly copying what MS and Nintendo are doing.

After the first five months of hardcore gamers, rich folks and die hard Sony fans buying the console if Sony does not drop the price MS will be a strong front runner in the US and Canada. This has nothing to do with me owning a 360 that’s just basic business.

so you think Microsoft will do better than PS3?


OK, I see how it is. LOL!