Why people bash Vitaly and Wlad so much

[Neuraxis]

To be honest, they were has-beens and never-weres. Do you seriously consider those fighters title contenders? Sure, they were somewhat of nice stepping blocks, but not viable opponents that could've tested him.

As for Klitchko-Williamson, i didn't see the fight so i can't comment on it. But from what i've heard, he didn't look too impressive.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to hate on Wlad. All i'm saying is that he didn't prove enough to be labeled the next great, unbeatable champion, no matter how hard the HBO crew pushed that idea. He still has the tools, but it takes a lot more than physical talent to become a champ.

Yes I do. All of them could become champs in this current field if they were still active. I guess you are saying that former IBF heavyweight champion Botha and former WBO heavyweight champion Mercer were has beens. I guess you are saying Jefferson, Schulz, and Barrett were never weres. Jefferson was a ****er and he caught Wlad in the beginning of the fight with a huge right. Schulz was good enough to SD lose to a prime Moorer and MD lose to Foreman in a controversial decision where Foreman gave up his belt so he wouldn't have to fight Schulz again. Barrett destroyed Guinn and lost a MD to Mesi in a very close fight in which he KD him once.

[Sweet Dick Willy]

Jameel McCline???? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

The same McCLine who lost to Sedrick Fields? Whose signature victory was that KO of a shot Micheal Grant and a 10 round struggle with an inactive, out of shape 290-pound Shannon Briggs? It took Wlad 10 rounds to get rid of him. The same McCline vs. a prime Lennox, Tyson, Bowe, Holyfield lasts about 2 rounds maximum.

Luckily for Wlad, McCline was as afraid of Wlad as Wlad was afraid of him.


Try watching the fights you talk about. you obviously dont

[PanzerboY]

Jameel McCline???? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

The same McCLine who lost to Sedrick Fields? Whose signature victory was that KO of a shot Micheal Grant and a 10 round struggle with an inactive, out of shape 290-pound Shannon Briggs? It took Wlad 10 rounds to get rid of him. The same McCline vs. a prime Lennox, Tyson, Bowe, Holyfield lasts about 2 rounds maximum.

Luckily for Wlad, McCline was as afraid of Wlad as Wlad was afraid of him.


Try watching the fights you talk about. you obviously dont

mccline was regarded as the next big thing out there, till he met wlad. he met a soviet style boxer who threw him around like mccline was a dirty little ragdoll. getting beaten by the left hand to add to the humiliation..

and mccline will probably punch byrd out of the ring if he connects.

Is your avatar depicting your mother? She's cute, make her PM me, I'll give her a good son.. We'll dump you in the river!

[cple]

Jefferson was a ****er and he caught Wlad in the beginning of the fight with a huge right.

Simply because he was had decent power and caught Wlad with a huge right makes him a good fighter? In his three fights prior to meeting Wladimir, he went 1-2 losing to Obed Sullivan and David Izon.

Schulz was good enough to SD lose to a prime Moorer and MD lose to Foreman in a controversial decision where Foreman gave up his belt so he wouldn't have to fight Schulz again.

Oh, he was good enough to lose?

Barrett destroyed Guinn and lost a MD to Mesi in a very close fight in which he KD him once.

I usually don't like to put down fighters, but Mesi is an overrated hype job. Posting a win against him isn't very special...and Barret still couldn't do it.

I suppose i shouldn't have asked if these fighters were title contenders since that would prove nothing in the abysmal state the division is in. However, i still wouldn't pick any of them to beat the likes of Byrd or even Ruiz.

[Neuraxis]

Jameel McCline???? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

The same McCLine who lost to Sedrick Fields? Whose signature victory was that KO of a shot Micheal Grant and a 10 round struggle with an inactive, out of shape 290-pound Shannon Briggs? It took Wlad 10 rounds to get rid of him. The same McCline vs. a prime Lennox, Tyson, Bowe, Holyfield lasts about 2 rounds maximum.

Luckily for Wlad, McCline was as afraid of Wlad as Wlad was afraid of him.


Try watching the fights you talk about. you obviously dont

You were the one comparing Wlad to Grant not me. Way to two step your way out of it.

[hollister]

A lot of people thought he was, why do you still hold him to a standard only a portion of the public bought into in the first place? Why is he such garbage now, because he didn't bum rush Williamson and risk getting caught on the way in? That's ****ing ******. If that's what you want, then you know what they say, if you want it done right, do it yourself Free Willy. Wlad made the fight less one-sided by laying back, which is what Manny was telling him to do. Maybe more of us should live in the gym the way many of these guys do, and more of us would have a little insight as to why it's a bad idea to throw caution to the wind and bumrush a guy to land a big shot. I thought he fought a decent fight, considering the other guy did next to nothing. How can you even say it was a competetive fight just Williamson didn't get knocked out? He was never even close to being in the fight, and that **** about Wlad getting tired in the later rounds is ******. Hell, I could have lasted 10 rounds with him if that was all he was going to do lol

[hollister]

That post was directed at free Willy

[Neuraxis]

Simply because he was had decent power and caught Wlad with a huge right makes him a good fighter? In his three fights prior to meeting Wladimir, he went 1-2 losing to Obed Sullivan and David Izon.



Oh, he was good enough to lose?



I usually don't like to put down fighters, but Mesi is an overrated hype job. Posting a win against him isn't very special...and Barret still couldn't do it.

I suppose i shouldn't have asked if these fighters were title contenders since that would prove nothing in the abysmal state the division is in. However, i still wouldn't pick any of them to beat the likes of Byrd or even Ruiz.

Jefferson lost to Maskaev not Sullivan. I was merely pointing out that Wlad got caught with a great punch and he didn't panick. Schulz losing close controversial fights to great fighters obviously doesn't make him a never was like you claimed. Mesi might be overrated, but what does that make Toney? Mesi was able to easily outbox Jirov until he ran out of gas, which was something James the second coming Toney could not do. So let me get this straight you would favor Byrd and Ruiz over a prime Mercer, Botha, Schulz, and Barrett? I guess they are all debateable except a prime Mercer would destroy them both.

[LuKahnLi]

Nice topic.

Ya'll know what I will say.....so, why bother saying it?

[MetalVomit]

To be honest, they were has-beens and never-weres. Do you seriously consider those fighters title contenders? Sure, they were somewhat of nice stepping blocks, but not viable opponents that could've tested him.

As for Klitchko-Williamson, i didn't see the fight so i can't comment on it. But from what i've heard, he didn't look too impressive.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to hate on Wlad. All i'm saying is that he didn't prove enough to be labeled the next great, unbeatable champion, no matter how hard the HBO crew pushed that idea. He still has the tools, but it takes a lot more than physical talent to become a champ.

i agree completely. the willaimson fight was ugly, but wlad probably outlanded him 3 to 1. i dont know the final punch statistics.