Comments Thread For: Arum: Joshua's Not An Elite Fighter; Will Fight Rest Of His Career Scared

[TMLT87]

On the way up, no doubt he had to face the champs to get the belts. Wilder's had the easiest route to the belts, thanks to Haymon. Now that Joshua's got the belts, he's hiding behind fake and lowball offers to Wilder, Ortiz, and maybe even Fury. The Ruiz fight really shook him bad when the world found out Ruiz could fight when focused. He ends up dancing for a full 12 rounds for a safe win against an okay fighter.

It's disappointing that Joshua can't command his promoter to cut in line to fight Wilder or Fury. How the hell did Fury cut in front of the lunch line to get to Wilder first and why would Joshua get a restraining order to prevent Wilder from calling him out in the ring? That's some cornball behavior. Anyways, I suspect we'll see him fight Wilder/Fury after further marination in 2022.

Ahhh yes Ortiz, the one guy that AJ haters rate outside of Wilder/Fury just so happens to be the one top 10 ranked guy Wilder has beat. Apparently AJ is ducking him, Whyte is ducking him, Parker is ducking him, Povetkin is ducking him, Ruiz is ducking him, literally everyone in the top 10 other than Wilder is ducking Ortiz for some reason so he uhhh...has to fight Cojanu and Kauffman instead. Its very convenient for the pro Wilder narrative that his best opponents never seem to fight anyone else of note. Remember that Ortizs promoter claimed they were being lowballed by Hearn without telling everyone exactly what the number was, then when it came out it actually seemed more than reasonable.

Ultimately none of us know whats going on behind the scenes with AJ/Wilder/Fury. But hypothetically if its actually AJ being shut out, what else can he do exactly? hes fought Parker, Povetkin, Whyte and Ruiz already. Hes talking about fighting Pulev and Usyk this year. Its not what anyone ideally wants but if its not actually his fault the Fury and Wilder fights arent getting made (and again we dont know) its pretty harsh to criticize him for essentially working his way through everyone else in the division with a name. Especially when youve got Fury thinking its okay to fight guys like Schwarz at this stage of his career and Wilder endlessly rematching everyone.

[Nusky]

Don't like Bob. But this time he's right. And he would know this after 55 years in the sport. A guy with a punch who can throw combos has Joshuas number every time

Joshua has almost non existent head movement and a suspect chin. Combos aren't absolutely necessary in Wilder's case. He just has to land one.

[TMLT87]

Joshua has almost non existent head movement and a suspect chin.

You say this like it doesnt apply equally to Wilder.

[factsarenice]

Sorry to burst your bubble but Saudi Arabia is where the money is. As for beheading criminals, spare us your moral high-ground BS. The PBC shows fights on Fox all the time and nobody says a word about their KKK lynch mob parading around as a news source. Hell, Laura Ingram alone lynches at least one black man per week and yet....not a word from Haymon....just crickets.

Joshua defended in the states, and lost miserably, and has no plans on returning since.

USA is where the money is, unless you want to go to a country that beheads people.

[markther]

Grumpy Old Bob didn’t say anything wrong, LOL!!!

[factsarenice]

Fact, AJ offered Ortiz 7 million and he turned it down. Fact Ortiz instead fought Wilder for 1.5 million.... Look that up and come back and edit your ****** statement.

Ahhh yes Ortiz, the one guy that AJ haters rate outside of Wilder/Fury just so happens to be the one top 10 ranked guy Wilder has beat. Apparently AJ is ducking him, Whyte is ducking him, Parker is ducking him, Povetkin is ducking him, Ruiz is ducking him, literally everyone in the top 10 other than Wilder is ducking Ortiz for some reason so he uhhh...has to fight Cojanu and Kauffman instead. Its very convenient for the pro Wilder narrative that his best opponents never seem to fight anyone else of note. Remember that Ortizs promoter claimed they were being lowballed by Hearn without telling everyone exactly what the number was, then when it came out it actually seemed more than reasonable.

Ultimately none of us know whats going on behind the scenes with AJ/Wilder/Fury. But hypothetically if its actually AJ being shut out, what else can he do exactly? hes fought Parker, Povetkin, Whyte and Ruiz already. Hes talking about fighting Pulev and Usyk this year. Its not what anyone ideally wants but if its not actually his fault the Fury and Wilder fights arent getting made (and again we dont know) its pretty harsh to criticize him for essentially working his way through everyone else in the division with a name. Especially when youve got Fury thinking its okay to fight guys like Schwarz at this stage of his career and Wilder endlessly rematching everyone.

[Marchegiano]

Fact, AJ offered Ortiz 7 million and he turned it down. Fact Ortiz instead fought Wilder for 1.5 million.... Look that up and come back and edit your ****** statement.

Yahoo reported 1.5, Forbes and ESPN reported 7 mil.

Besides that I think you're mixing up your time frames.

Did Josh offer Ortiz a fight between Ortiz-Wilder I and II? Because Ortiz only got like 500k for the first Wilder fight I think:

[factsarenice]

Grumpy Old Bob didn’t say anything wrong, LOL!!!

Bob forgot to mention that AJ fought the best in his weight class and offered every other belt holder 100's of millions or that AJ made 85 million coming off a loss....


Yup, that AJ, what a loser

[Monty Fisto]

Fury going life and death with Wallin is elite.

Joshua Rocky III'd Ruiz's ass. It was a great response to a humiliating defeat.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Joshua is more elite than Wilder and Fury combined. he simply fought better guys.