Why do people rate Canelo's resume so high, even relative to GGG's?

[TonyGe]

Your fantasy BS is irrelevant when comparing resumes. Golovkin's resume is pathetic compared to Canelo's.

Well with the possible exception of Floyd there is no one Canelo has fought that he can't beat. Like I said most of those those names in his resume were older and past prime or weight drained. Khan a smaller man can't take a punch. Mosley a smaller man was washed up. Fielding was a paper champion. Cotto a smaller man was at the end of his career and not as good as he once was.
Chavez Jr was severely weight drained.
Canelo's resume is not all that if you look at it objectively.

[Boxing_1013]

canelo def would have plowed through golovkins MW resume with W's....not saying he ko's everyone of them but he def beats them...i agree maybe not ko's though

yeah golovkin gets some credit for going through the guys he did and ko'ing them....but he also gets overrated for it too by many....thats kinda the thing....i mean....its it coincidence that when he stepped up he had trouble doing it?

to me the jacobs knockdown was flash and not really the kind of stuff he was doing the to the C level guys.....it counts...but i dont really count it....so all the stuff he was doing to the C level(maybe B on a good say some of them) guys he couldnt do when he stepped up to fight jacobs and canelo...to me that tells you alot

look at wilder...he does the same thing and gets made fun of for it .....fury and ortiz are top 5 HWs...and he put them down 5x total between the two of them.......i dont think either guy is p4p as good as canelo....but still...when he stepped up his game carried over....he looked/did the same as he always does

I hear ya...I guess I would say that personally I saw more or less the same GGG vs Canelo and Jacobs as I have before...some people could say he didn't look as dominant due to advanced age...but to me he honestly still looks just about what he always was.

He was never really a 1 punch KO guy..more of a grind you down and wear you out guy...even at his absolute physical peak...Murray went 11 with him, Stevens and Lemieux 8...granted they may have won 2 rounds total in all those fights vs GGG.

And no one was really giving Danny a chance vs GGG due to his chin..but with that holding up I am not really surprised that he was able to go 12 and even win a few rounds...he was a better boxer than all those guys, and had the same type of power as Lemieux and Stevens...you can't really question Danny's heart and toughness either with him coming back from cancer.

And personally in that GGG fight I saw Danny win a couple rounds clear...GGG win quite a few more clear...and then a few close rounds...I also think Danny was really intent on 'surviving' in there and trying to go 12 rounds with GGG, as no one had really done that, and also with the recent Ward/Kov decision, I think he felt if he went 12 in NY that anything was possible as far as maybe getting a home town decision.

So yeah honestly I saw more or less the same GGG vs those 2 guys in those 3 fights that I always have...just that he was in against better opposition so they will make it tougher for him...his workrate and constant scoring against Murray/Lemieux/Stevens won him almost every round...by my card against Canelo and Jacobs he was getting 2/3 rounds about.

Punch stats don't tell the whole story of course...but GGG winning nearly every round punch count wise kind of illustrates to me that he was the same volume/high work rate/relentless guy he always was...just that Jacobs and Canelo had more to keep him honest and were able to score more as well.

Honestly I have felt Wilder has been improving for a while...and I think he gets way too much sh.it on here...he showed his power and skills were for real vs Ortiz and that fight was all I needed to know that Wilder could beat anyone at HW.

I think Ortiz outboxed him basically every round/second other than the KDs, but not really bad enough to just run through Wilder and KO him...that to me tells me that Wilder is/was improving as a boxer and should get credit for it...and when you have his power...all he needs is to be good enough to not get completely outclassed...and it is very likely he will win.

I also saw the first 6 rounds vs Fury as even...there was no real action and Wilder in a few rounds I felt landed the better shot or shots....I had 0 issue with the draw as I felt Fury only dominated the fight in the last 6 rounds, and that was where he got dropped twice.

I would just say that Wilder 'showing up' against those guys was perhaps more evident because he has that one punch power...so if he lands 5 punches he can get five KDs...GGG's style has never really been like that...he is more of a grind you down guy...and I personally feel like I saw the same guy vs Jacobs and Canelo as I had before...same volume/workrate/scoring.

It's just he was in vs guys who were a good bit better than the Murrays Lemieuxs and Stevens...and that showed on those guys being able to win rounds and go 12 rounds...Wilder's power was evident...and to be honest I think Wilder, relative to my expectations, was more impressive vs Ortiz and Fury than GGG was vs Canelo and Jacobs.

I certainly think GGG could have done more in those fights to really put his legacy over the top...but he didn't/couldn't do it...I was impressed with Canelo and Jacobs in those fights...but also was impressed with GGG for the most part and thought he won all 3 pretty straightforwardly...but I do agree that if he was able to get the KO, especially against Canelo, it would have really enhanced his standing probably.

[Boxing_1013]

Is this a serious thread? Canelo has the strongest resume in boxing outside of Manny. I don't even see much room to argue otherwise.

What are his 10 best wins?

[Robbie Barrett]

Well with the possible exception of Floyd there is no one Canelo has fought that he can't beat. Like I said most of those those names in his resume were older and past prime or weight drained. Khan a smaller man can't take a punch. Mosley a smaller man was washed up. Fielding was a paper champion. Cotto a smaller man was at the end of his career and not as good as he once was.
Chavez Jr was severely weight drained.
Canelo's resume is not all that if you look at it objectively.

You aren't looking at it objectively, you're looking it in fantasy land that Golovkin can beat them. Which again is irrelevant. Canelo's resume is so far ahead of Golovkins that this thread is a joke or a troll.

Lara would have beat Golovkin by the way. Golovkin couldn't cut off the ring against "cement feet" Canelo, Lara would have ran circles around him. Which is why Golovkin wanted nothing to do with Lara.

[Robbie Barrett]

What are his 10 best wins?

Better than Golovkins 10 best. Every should red k you for trolling.

[Boxing_1013]

Fun fact GGG has faced just 5 opponents that have ever been world champ his ENTIRE career. Meanwhile Canelo has already beaten 15 world champs. GGG is older then Canelo and today with so many belts out there it has never been easier to become a world champ in the history of boxing. That's a huge indictment on the tomato can filled resume GGG has. Hell if you consistently stay as a top 15-30 ranked contender in your weight class long enough you can accidentally become world champ with all the belts that become vacant out there alone. The fact that GGG fought so many bums who have accomplished nothing in the sport before or after fighting him says volumes about his resume. You can count on 1 hand how many universally top 10 ranked middleweight he has fought most of these clowns he faced weren't even on RING, ESPN or 3rd party top 10 rankings. Canelo has fought damn near 20 universally top 10 ranked fighters.

But dyck for brains GGG fans really want us to believe that the level of opponents are equal. Not even bringing up the fact that Canelo has won titles in 3 weight classes, beaten lineal champs, hall of famers, top 10 P4P ranked fighters, unified belts in 2 different weight classes but because you say wins over guys like Vanes and Stevens are GOOD Wins and comparable to wins over guys like Cotto, Trout, Jacobs, Lara, etc make it so? LMAO

I've mentioned many times...I judge a fighter not just on who he beats...but also how/when/where etc...I think most people acknowledge that when you face a certain guy matters...yet a lot of people seem to really hype up Nelo's win over Mosley for example...and sorry I just don't really view that as a better win than say GGG's over Monroe...especially considering the manner in which GGG won his fight vs Nelo's win over Mosley.

Btw - GGG beat Jacobs too lol...and with a KD...and I thought both wins were clear for Nelo and GGG there...but I scored it 8-4 for GGG and 7-5 for Nelo...and I think the stats more or less back me up on that...I would say that GGG beat him first too but honestly I don't really think that matters too much.

I would also say that to the other stuff you mentioned...I'm not interested in judging a fighter really by what accolades he had or has...that is kind of inviting cherry picking in a way...I am just interested in what a fighter has skills wise...and I think a lot of guys that Canelo faced - Mosley, Cotto etc...were obviously not the same (HOF in their cases) fighters that they were at their peak.

Who would you list at Canelo's best 10 wins? And since I assume you will list his 'win' over GGG I will list GGG's 10 best wins...and will include Canelo at least once since I personally saw him beat him twice.

1) Nelo
2) Jacobs
3) Murray
4) Lemieux
5) Monroe
6) Brook
7) Geale
8) Stevens
9) Macklin
10) Ouma

3-10 all clear wins..all by dominant KO.

For Canelo I would I guess have it

1) GGG (even though I saw 2 clear wins for GGG I will humor you here)
2) Lara (7-5 Canelo imo)
3) Jacobs
4) Cotto
5) Trout
6) Smith?
7) Mosley?
8) Angulo?
9) Kirkland?
10) Lopez?

I mean...GGG fights he clearly lost imo...and 2-3 were very good wins...but honestly 4-10 is a little meh, especially as far as how unimpressively he won some of those...I don't really think going 12 with Trout was a better win than GGG running through Monroe...I just don't really see it that way

[Boxing_1013]

Better than Golovkins 10 best. Every should red k you for trolling.

Honestly it is kind of surprising that some people are getting really upset about it rather than listing why it may be better...if one really thinks Canelo's resume is that great it should be pretty easy to list why and specifically the names...especially without getting upset about it.

Also...just asked this to another poster...curious to see your list as well


Who would you list at Canelo's best 10 wins? And since I assume you will list his 'win' over GGG I will list GGG's 10 best wins...and will include Canelo at least once since I personally saw him beat him twice.

1) Nelo
2) Jacobs
3) Murray
4) Lemieux
5) Monroe
6) Brook
7) Geale
8) Stevens
9) Macklin
10) Ouma

3-10 all clear wins..all by dominant KO.

For Canelo I would I guess have it

1) GGG (even though I saw 2 clear wins for GGG I will humor you here)
2) Lara (7-5 Canelo imo)
3) Jacobs
4) Cotto
5) Trout
6) Smith?
7) Mosley?
8) Angulo?
9) Kirkland?
10) Lopez?

I mean...GGG fights he clearly lost imo...and 2-3 were very good wins...but honestly 4-10 is a little meh, especially as far as how unimpressively he won some of those...I don't really think going 12 with Trout was a better win than GGG running through Monroe...I just don't really see it that way

[Boxing_1013]

You aren't looking at it objectively, you're looking it in fantasy land that Golovkin can beat them. Which again is irrelevant. Canelo's resume is so far ahead of Golovkins that this thread is a joke or a troll.

Lara would have beat Golovkin by the way. Golovkin couldn't cut off the ring against "cement feet" Canelo, Lara would have ran circles around him. Which is why Golovkin wanted nothing to do with Lara.

For a guy talking about how you can't use fantasy matchups...it is funny that in the next line you say that Lara would have beaten GGG lol

Just like AJ would have beaten Joshua

Honestly I have always rated Lara...but comparing cutting off the ring against him to doing it against Canelo or even Jacobs is just odd man...they are completely different fighters and GGG would have fought Lara presumably way differently than he engaged Canelo or Jacobs...he had to be very cautious on his way in against those 2 fellas.

[Robbie Barrett]

Honestly it is kind of surprising that some people are getting really upset about it rather than listing why it may be better...if one really thinks Canelo's resume is that great it should be pretty easy to list why and specifically the names...especially without getting upset about it.

Also...just asked this to another poster...curious to see your list as well


Who would you list at Canelo's best 10 wins? And since I assume you will list his 'win' over GGG I will list GGG's 10 best wins...and will include Canelo at least once since I personally saw him beat him twice.

1) Nelo
2) Jacobs
3) Murray
4) Lemieux
5) Monroe
6) Brook
7) Geale
8) Stevens
9) Macklin
10) Ouma

3-10 all clear wins..all by dominant KO.

For Canelo I would I guess have it

1) GGG (even though I saw 2 clear wins for GGG I will humor you here)
2) Lara (7-5 Canelo imo)
3) Jacobs
4) Cotto
5) Trout
6) Smith?
7) Mosley?
8) Angulo?
9) Kirkland?
10) Lopez?

I mean...GGG fights he clearly lost imo...and 2-3 were very good wins...but honestly 4-10 is a little meh, especially as far as how unimpressively he won some of those...I don't really think going 12 with Trout was a better win than GGG running through Monroe...I just don't really see it that way

You're trying to claim Monroe is a better win than Trout. You're trolling. You can't be serious.

Golovkin's list is full of C level fighters. It's embarrassing that you're are trying to claim they're as good as Canelo's.


I'll give 100k to whoever turns this clown red.

[Robbie Barrett]

For a guy talking about how you can't use fantasy matchups...it is funny that in the next line you say that Lara would have beaten GGG lol

Just like AJ would have beaten Joshua

Honestly I have always rated Lara...but comparing cutting off the ring against him to doing it against Canelo or even Jacobs is just odd man...they are completely different fighters and GGG would have fought Lara presumably way differently than he engaged Canelo or Jacobs...he had to be very cautious on his way in against those 2 fellas.

I said you can't use fantasy match ups for resumes.

Yes they are different. Lara was far better at staying out of range and fighting off the back foot than Canelo. Lil G ducked Lara for a reason.