casual fans need to learn how to score a fight.....

[aboutfkntime]

From Steve Weisfeld:

"A lot of times fans hear that judges focus on four categories: clean punches, effective aggressiveness, defense and ring generalship," Weisfeld said. "But based upon my own experience, my conversations with other judges and seminars conducted by top judges, judges really focus on one category, and that's clean punches."



Would love your response here friend?

one mans opinion does not replace the official rules

* clean hard punching
* effective aggression
* defence
* ring generalship

from the same article.....

" Defense: Defense is important..... "

now that you have acknowledged defence, I will add one point to your score

you score 3, out of a possible 6

so yea, 50%

keep trying bro

[Boxing_1013]

this thread isnt being fought in the style or pace that fckintime wanted it therefore he is losing. im using his own rules so it must be true!

Lol nice...

[kafkod]

Defense: Defense is important because it helps a boxer set up his offense. Most judges that I have spoken to do not give credit for defense alone. If a boxer has a good defense, it means that he is not being hit with punches. But let's remember the purpose of the sport: to land punches on your opponent.

If Boxer A throws 10 punches in a round, but lands none of them, and Boxer B lands zero and throws zero, you still have an even round with no punches landing. You don't want to create a disincentive for a boxer to land punches if he thinks he's going to be penalized for missing.

I presume that what you meant in your last sentence there is that you don't want to create a disincentive for a boxer to throw punches if he thinks he's going to be penalized for missing.

That is a good point.

[aboutfkntime]

Defense: Defense is important......

[aboutfkntime]

the fact that a certain fanbase are FRANTICALLY attempting to re-write the OFFICIAL rules.....

..... is fkn hilarious !!






* clean hard punching
* effective aggression
* defence
* ring generalship

[aboutfkntime]

Effective aggression: In the extremely rare case of a judge scoring a round otherwise even, the judge might side with the boxer who was the aggressor on the theory that he is trying to make the fight. However, the key is whether or not the aggression is "effective.” Is the boxer landing or just coming forward?

Ring generalship: This term describes a boxer who is generally controlling the action and putting himself into position to land clean punches, or employing a strategy to make his opponent fight his fight. Sometimes, however, the other boxer is forced to fight his opponent's fight and comes out on top.

The 10-point must system of scoring: Fans may accept as a given the fact that the 10-point must system is universal, but that wasn’t the case until recently. Putting aside the possibility of a point deduction by the referee for repeated low blows or other infractions, the winner of a round must receive 10 points, and the loser nine or less. A typical round is 10-9.

If a boxer scores a knockdown, that's usually a 10-8 round. If a boxer thoroughly dominates a round, even without a knockdown, it also could be scored 10-8. If a boxer scores two knockdowns in a round, it’s generally scored 10-7, and so on.


I included the last two paragraphs about the 10 point must system to point out just how basic Mr Weisfeld was being here...basically just talking boxing basics.

Mr Time - a gentlemen here would admit defeat and apologize for his wrongs, I hope you will do so. Have a good evening.

Mr Weisfeld is simply incorrect.....

it is not up to him to decide which of the 4 official scoring criteria are more important to him...... and which should be ignored/overlooked, etc..... it is up to him to follow the rules as they exist

anything other than that is unprofessional..... and a sign that someone views them-self ahead of their position

Some judges give fighters too much credit for missed punches and blocked punches.

Flicking a jab and hitting only air doesn’t score

Throwing a punch that is clearly blocked by the opponent doesn’t score (despite the potential crowd reaction)

Some judges ignore the subtleties that occur during a round.

During a round where the action is fast and furious between the fighters, which fighter is initiating the action and which fighter ends the flurry?

Does one fighter seem more reluctant to fight after a furious exchange?

Has one fighter’s punch output slowed after a furious exchange?

Paying attention to subtle factors such as these can sometimes help determine which fighter is inflicting more damage to their opponent

Some judges are in the sport for the wrong reason.

Numerous times, the first thing that some fellow judges will say to me is “when do we get paid?”

If you wouldn’t accept a judging assignment if there was no pay involved, the sport of boxing might not be your passion

Whenever I’m given an assignment, I tell my wife that I would do it for nothing (and I mean that literally)

It is a privilege to be assigned to judge a fight; don’t take advantage of the opportunity if you’re not truly passionate about the sport

There are many mistakes made in the sport of boxing but if we don’t learn from our mistakes, that would be the biggest mistake of all.






the rules existed LOOOOONG before Mr Weisfeld attempted to change them LMAO

[aboutfkntime]

well, if anyone was wondering who I was referring to when I said that there are a pile of casual-fans on this site who DKSAB..... well, now you know

props to everyone who was silly enough to admit they think that the official rules are..... unimportant, and should be ignored/changed immediately loooool

even munters who hate me like King Kong were not ****** enough to come to this thread..... but props to those of you who were LMAO

[Chrismart]

Originally Posted by Chrismart View Post
A thread on correct fight scoring becomes kind of obsolete when facial damage, cuts and bruising starts being talked up as a criteria. Or even as a example of a criteria met.







it is literally insane to suggest that a judge will not watch a fighter to see how he reacts in order to gauge how effective a particular punch was..... and damage will most certainly be part of that decision

nobody suggested that facial damage is a scoring factor

it is literally RIDICULOUS to suggest that damage will have no bearing in a judges mind

you guys are absolutely clueless

this is the fight game you pvssies, suggesting that damage has no bearing is beyond ridiculous

You're contradicting yourself from one sentence to the next now.

Your thread wasn't the best to begin with, but now you're conflicting it as you go along.

Time for you to post your famous Canelo laughing gif and move along. The threads died on it's arse.

[Boxing_1013]

I presume that what you meant in your last sentence there is that you don't want to create a disincentive for a boxer to throw punches if he thinks he's going to be penalized for missing.

That is a good point.

He probably did mean that...that was Steve Weisfeld talking, not me. Sorry for any confusion.

[TonyGe]

the fact that a certain fanbase are FRANTICALLY attempting to re-write the OFFICIAL rules.....

..... is fkn hilarious !!






* clean hard punching
* effective aggression
* defence
* ring generalship

The official rules of boxing?? Are you serious. Those points you listed are not found in any boxing rule book to my knowledge.

Taken from Boxrec

The rules of boxing vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and on whether it is an amateur or professional bout. A violation of the following rules is considered a foul, and can result in a warning, point deduction, or disqualification by the referee:

You cannot hit below the belt, hold, trip, kick, headbutt, wrestle, bite, spit on, or push your opponent.
You cannot hit with your head, shoulder, forearm, or elbow.
You cannot hit with an open glove, the inside of the glove, the wrist, the backhand, or the side of the hand.
You cannot punch your opponent's back, or the back of his head or neck (rabbit punch), or on the kidneys (kidney punch).
You cannot throw a punch while holding on to the ropes to gain leverage.
You can't hold your opponent and hit him at the same time, or duck so low that your head is below your opponent's belt line.
When the referee breaks you from a clinch, you have to take a full step back; you cannot immediately hit your opponent--that's called "hitting on the break" and is illegal.
You cannot spit out your mouthpiece on purpose to get a rest.
If you score a knockdown of your opponent, you must go to the farthest neutral corner while the referee makes the count.
If you "floor" your opponent, you cannot hit him when he's on the canvas.
A floored boxer has up to ten seconds to get back up on his feet before losing the bout by knockout.
A boxer who is knocked down cannot be saved by the bell in any round, depending upon the local jurisdiction's rules.
A boxer who is hit with an accidental low blow has up to five minutes to recover. If s/he cannot continue after five minutes, s/he is considered knocked out.
If the foul results in an injury that causes the fight to end immediately, the boxer who committed the foul is disqualified.
If the foul causes an injury but the bout continues, the referee orders the judges to deduct two points from the boxer who caused the injury.
If an unintentional foul causes the bout to be stopped immediately, the bout is ruled a "no contest" if four rounds have not been fully completed. (If the bout was scheduled for four rounds, then three rounds must have been completed.) If four rounds have been completed, the judges' scorecards are tallied and the fighter who is ahead on points is awarded a technical decision. If the scores are even, it will be called a "technical draw."
If a boxer is knocked out of the ring, he gets a count of 20 to get back in and on his feet. He cannot be assisted.
In some jurisdictions the standing eight-count or the three knockdown rule also may be in effect.
In other jurisdictions, only the referee can stop the bout.

They certainly aren't in the rules of boxing. So where are they. Where they are is as a general guide for judges on how to score close rounds if they can't decide who won the round. The interpretation of defense ring generalship etc. is highly subjective and is viewed differently and weighed differently by various judges and fans. The fact that you can't recognize that punching is the essence of boxing is incredible. So you can hold your breath till you turn blue, throw a temper tantrum call people names who disagree with your interpretation but you are only one opinion.