Comments Thread For: Barry Hearn: Wilder is Not Very Good, Easiest Fight For Joshua

[Scipio2009]

He actually moves his head more than Wilder believe it or not. There is no denying Joshua defensively is not Mayweather. He has been caught cleanly especially in the last 5 fights by every opponent he has fought so if Wilders catches him, I get that argument. However, Wilder has been hit by every bum he has fought. The only fighter that had somewhat measurable power to Joshua was Ortiz and had him out on his feet. He doesn’t throw nearly as much combos as AJ too. Look at Wilder when he gets hit he is as stiff and bamboozled as anyone. If we are talking how to handle adversity Wilder doesn’t have a clue. Doesn’t know how to hold on parry punches. Though if Wilder does catch AJ cleanly on the Whiskers it’s nighty night

If you honestly think that Wilder hasn't faced a puncher in his whole run, outside of Ortiz, you're bugging.

And worrying about combos is missing the forest for the trees. Wilder's head coach is Mark Breland, a tall long gangly former welterweight Olympic gold medalist with explosive power at the end of his whip-like frame (Remind you of anyone).

You watch Breland fight, and you get a pretty good idea of what Wilder can end up looking like if he picks up all of this knowledge before the body starts to go.

Wilder is constantly learning on the job, and to think otherwise is a mistake.

[Noelanthony]

If you honestly think that Wilder hasn't faced a puncher in his whole run, outside of Ortiz, you're bugging.

And worrying about combos is missing the forest for the trees. Wilder's head coach is Mark Breland, a tall long gangly former welterweight Olympic gold medalist with explosive power at the end of his whip-like frame (Remind you of anyone).

You watch Breland fight, and you get a pretty good idea of what Wilder can end up looking like if he picks up all of this knowledge before the body starts to go.

Wilder is constantly learning on the job, and to think otherwise is a mistake.

I’m here to be educated. If you are right I will say you are right I have no qualms being corrected . I’m not wrong and strong.

Other than Ortiz who had enough Dynamite in their hands to knockout Wilder? Furthermore how long has Breland been with Wilder? These improvents are minimal . He is regularly outboxed by mediocre fighters. Wilder made Gerald Washington look World class. Until lesser opponents such as Fat Belly and Adam K disposed of him and highlighted just how limited Washington is.

[Scipio2009]

Barry knows Wilder keeps interest in AJ in the public. Cleaning out the division right now isn't smart so he knows it's an easy win but a dangerous fight , most don't seem to understand that. Wilder had a chance to fight AJ , the notion Joshua is scared of Wilder after seeing the Ortiz and Fury fights when he fought a better Klitschko in 2017 is as comical as anyone thinking team Wilder are truthful people.

What are you talking about?

If we actually had a unified/undisputed heavyweight champion (with the WBC/WBA/IBF working together), you could actually have a global attraction, lol.

The big fights will always end up in the UK or Vegas/New York, but now you drastically expand where you can take the not so big fights, simply due to having an undisputed heavyweight champion.

Bird Nest in Beijing, Tokyo Dome in Japan, a few venues in Africa, a few places in Europe, etc; all based on what fight is called.

Joshua and his camp have a legit chance at becoming the first billion dollar fighter, and they're not taking that chance yet because there's still some smaller money tickover fights on the table and because that chance is coming on a 50/50 shot and that's a bit more risk than they want right now.

[The plunger man]

Makes you wonder what team Joshua is so afraid of doesn't it.......

april date in wembley stadium has been offered to wilder since december....tell who is affraid of who ?

[Scipio2009]

Some improvement, yes, and BTW, who would expect ZERO improvement from ANY fighter? But he certainly isn't as good as he should be @ about 10 years into a pro career. That's for certain. And full disclosure... a lot of that is his own fault. He kept saying his promoter wouldn't let him fight anyone but cans for the first 20 fights. Then he was at 40 fights before some serious challenges started emerging. No way he could progress as fast with that plan.

He first put on gloves at the age of 20; I don't have the link on hand, but there's a video on YouTube where Naasim Richardson marvels at how far Wilder came along to even win the WBC title (with the amount of experience that Wilder had at that point, Richardson only pegged him as maybe being good enough to win Nationals).

People don't understand what they're looking at, lol

[Scipio2009]

All really good points... of course, you do know that Wilder has been offered 40% right?

We don't know that Wilder has been offered 40%. Watch the conversation; whenever actual numbers are pressed, Eddie Hearn continues to put forward conditional ranges on things and sells them as offers. And let's not get to how Hearn is trying to hinge the deal on Wilder's US TV partner getting cut out of the deal (which he deliberately keeps quiet about).

Beyond that, 60/40 was the ask for the fight Fall 2018; Hearn said **** that here's $15m, Wilder begrudgingly said alright, and then Hearn said it was actually $15m for a fight in April 2019 while you also taking a short pot to also fight my other British heavyweight in the UK, before Wilder told him to go **** himself, so to speak.

Coming back, now, to the original ask, is disingenuous, especially after Fury and Wilder drew what they did on their first fight (and how well they'll likely do on the rematch).

[Scipio2009]

Who said it was $80 mil?

$50m guaranteed on the first fight (against 50% of the fight), with $30m as the guarantee on the rematch (split went unstated).

That's been the public posture for some time now on the offer.

[Jax teller]

$50m guaranteed on the first fight (against 50% of the fight), with $30m as the guarantee on the rematch (split went unstated).

That's been the public posture for some time now on the offer.

No no no it hasn't come from the mouth Wilder or Finkel once. So I'll ask you again who said that initially?

Give you a clue they also said the money was coming from BT.

[Jax teller]

Not one single person in boxing felt that Fury dominated Wilder. Besides that, Joshua doesn't have half the boxing and defensive skills as Fury.

So explain how either Hearn changed their view based on the Fury fight. And before you try it, both statements were made after the Ortiz fight.

What planet do you live on? Just to scratch the surface Ward, Floyd, Lennox, Roy Jones jr, Malignaggi and even ring fecking ****zine thought Fury dominated Wilder so much the two knockdowns on two separate rounds werent enough to even get a draw and that Fury should have got the win.

[just the facts]

april date in wembley stadium has been offered to wilder since december....tell who is affraid of who ?

First Wilder has to fight one of their stablemates (Whyte) before he can get a Joshua fight, then team Joshua sends them a ridiculously low ball offer (even hardcore Joshua fans admit this), then they name their price(50 million) and when that price is met the backpedaling begins, then they send over a contract with no date. Wilder moves on and fights Fury and now wants a rematch to clear up the issue (Fury deserved the decision) and suddenly team Joshua is interested in a fight? After that team Joshua tried to low ball every option they have (Whyte, Miller).

So who afraid of who? And I don't get it, all of the negative stuff posted about Wilder is true. He's ultra sloppy at times and his resume is lacking. IMO, it scares the crap out of team Joshua seeing him wobbling around the ring (vs Wlad) knowing if that was Wilder in there Joshua gets KOed.