Comments Thread For: Barry Hearn: Wilder is Not Very Good, Easiest Fight For Joshua

[EnglishOxide]

but if everyone is saying that Hearn is lowballing...maybe Hearn is lowballing.

All these people have an agenda against Joshua. Whyte, Miller, Fury and Wilder are direct rivals so it's in their interest to make it appear like Joshua is greedy and to get a bigger cut for themselves.

How do you not see that what they say is not gospel? We know Fury and Wilder got offered 40%. We know Miller initially turned down his career highest payday, we know Whyte is turning down his highest payday because of a rematch clause for Joshua only and a set split of 50/50.

Miller and Whyte are voluntarys and are not worth 40%.

With this in mind you need to make your own mind up about whether there is lowballing.

The simple fact is that until any other fighters prove they can generate anywhere near what Joshua can then they are going to have to take what they get.

[Redgloveman]

From what I’ve seen, Fury, Wilder and Whyte have all asked for two things: a percentage and VADA testing. That doesn’t make Joshua the boogie man.

Whyte says that ten weeks isn’t enough time for drug testing, he’s not wrong. The fact that his own stablemate is demanding VADA and won’t fight without it should be a red flag.

His own stablemate?

Whyte and Joshua strongly dislike each other. This is common knowledge. They’re also not stablemates.

As for the percentages; they have been offered as you must know by now.

One of Fury and Wilder will be better off for fighting each other in the long run and one of them willl be kicking themself that they didn’t take the fight and the shot at the belts.

It’s probably too early to be calling AJ a HW boogieman; but I’m surprised Wilder didn’t take his shot at undisputed considering he’s always talked about one face; one name.

[Scipio2009]

I don't know if Joshua is the boogeyman of the division as i don't rate him that high, but when people seems to be turning down 4/5 times their normal pay to fight him then it starts looking like he might be the HW divisions boogeyman. A boogeyman usually doesn't bring a huge payday, but these guys are doing rematches instead of wanting to become one face, they are asking for more time to do the fight and wanting more percentage split in their favour, they want compensation before they would get in the ring with him. Maybe he is the boogeyman.

Fair value is fair value.
Hearn paid whatever he had to pay to get Charles Martin to the UK and pick Joshua as his voluntary. Hearn paid Klitschko 50% to fight Joshua, nearly two years removed from the Fury fight. Hearn allegedly paid Parker about 33% of the pot to bring the WBO belt to the UK.

Why is Wilder different? If Parker is worth a third, how in the heck is Wilder not worth even 40%?

Eddie Hearn has built Dillian Whyte up as some destroyer in the UK, to the point that Whyte sells well at the O2 and does well enough on Sky Box Office to earn an alleged 8-figure payday, yet now he's only worth 20% on a Joshua fight?

Joshua is holding the belts that Fury won, yet even he can't be offered a split worth talking about?

There's a pattern that sets in here.
So yeah, as long as Hearn is bull****ting with the offers, take whatever other fight you can secure

[_Rexy_]

His own stablemate?

Whyte and Joshua strongly dislike each other. This is common knowledge. They’re also not stablemates.

As for the percentages; they have been offered as you must know by now.

One of Fury and Wilder will be better off for fighting each other in the long run and one of them willl be kicking themself that they didn’t take the fight and the shot at the belts.

It’s probably too early to be calling AJ a HW boogieman; but I’m surprised Wilder didn’t take his shot at undisputed considering he’s always talked about one face; one name.

Any offer made after Wilder/Fury has been announced is not a real offer. For the amount you guys keep claiming the $50 was fake, you see no issues with demanding negotiations while you have a fight lined up?

[Scipio2009]

I agree.

Wilder is technically atrocious and has awful defence

Joshua is the same height as him, has the same reach as him and throws hard power shots straight down the middle.

Wilder has a punchers chance, but that's about it.

Joshua doesn't move his head off the line consistently enough, and his sheer musculature will always leave him needing to catch that wind in the middle of the fight to give his conditioning a chance to take over

If you honestly think that Wilder won't be able to land on Joshua, you're a fool.

[DougalDylan]

Joshua does random VADA testing you can look it up on the VADA website (he has to or the WBA would strip him) and he does UKAD also what Dylan is talking about is the WBC clean boxing program which is a WBC cash cow go read the Ring article they then send on to VADA. Joshua does the WBA equivalent.

Fury out and out ducked VADA testing for the run up to the Wilder fight and and only signed up a few weeks before which was a chocked .. again you can google it its a fact and it was well covered here.

From what I’ve seen, Fury, Wilder and Whyte have all asked for two things: a percentage and VADA testing. That doesn’t make Joshua the boogie man.

Whyte says that ten weeks isn’t enough time for drug testing, he’s not wrong. The fact that his own stablemate is demanding VADA and won’t fight without it should be a red flag.

[_Rexy_]

Lol, because you don't know what your watching.

When Wilder has you ****ed, all hell breaks lose, but that's not the whole fight. Pay attention before that though.

Monster straight right hand, but he's developed a really good control jab that he uses a bunch of ways, a really good lead hook he can use well, he moves in and out of positions alright, and he's effective when he has to fight on the inside.

He's never going to be Joe Louis, but you're blind if you haven't seen any improvement from when he won his bronze medal as a novice.

He has an excellent jab. Problem is, he hasn’t really used it since the first Stiverne fight. So even as a wilder fan, I understand when people say he hasn’t improved, he made many improvements up to his title shot, then basically plateaued.

[Ray*]

Vada was part of the talks with wilder originally. Vada vs whatever the one in the U.K. is. (I want to say UKIP but I think that’s one of your political parties? Regardless,Not important)

What’s Fuey’s market value? What’s Wilder’s market value? Before Wilder just asked for a percentage and was offered a ten mil flat fee. Is that his market value? Obviously now any offer made is just for the media since he’s rematching Fury, but if everyone is saying that Hearn is lowballing...maybe Hearn is lowballing. I’ve been one of the most vocal saying Whyte has been carefully manufactured to his ranking, but if he’s been making more money already fighting, then he’s being offered less than his market value.

Am not going to go over money again, but the evidence cannot be disputed. They all wanted more money than they have ever made. I have never heard anything to do with VADA and negotiating between Joshua and Wilder.

Why would anyone be oppose to drug testing? Trying to say it’s a red flag is reaching on your part. Joshua gets tested just like everyone else. He was an Olympian so I don’t see any issues with Whyte wanting a longer camp and VADA drug testing, those are his demands. If Joshua isn’t the boogeyman people wouldn’t be demanding more split or a certain testing agency.

If you trying to insinuate that he might be on drugs who knows, the same can be said of Fury, Wilder and Whyte.

[Ray*]

Fair value is fair value.
Hearn paid whatever he had to pay to get Charles Martin to the UK and pick Joshua as his voluntary. Hearn paid Klitschko 50% to fight Joshua, nearly two years removed from the Fury fight. Hearn allegedly paid Parker about 33% of the pot to bring the WBO belt to the UK.

Why is Wilder different? If Parker is worth a third, how in the heck is Wilder not worth even 40%?

Eddie Hearn has built Dillian Whyte up as some destroyer in the UK, to the point that Whyte sells well at the O2 and does well enough on Sky Box Office to earn an alleged 8-figure payday, yet now he's only worth 20% on a Joshua fight?

Joshua is holding the belts that Fury won, yet even he can't be offered a split worth talking about?

There's a pattern that sets in here.
So yeah, as long as Hearn is bull****ting with the offers, take whatever other fight you can secure

I agree with you they all want more than they deserve.

[Scipio2009]

All these people have an agenda against Joshua. Whyte, Miller, Fury and Wilder are direct rivals so it's in their interest to make it appear like Joshua is greedy and to get a bigger cut for themselves.

How do you not see that what they say is not gospel? We know Fury and Wilder got offered 40%. We know Miller initially turned down his career highest payday, we know Whyte is turning down his highest payday because of a rematch clause for Joshua only and a set split of 50/50.

Miller and Whyte are voluntarys and are not worth 40%.

With this in mind you need to make your own mind up about whether there is lowballing.

The simple fact is that until any other fighters prove they can generate anywhere near what Joshua can then they are going to have to take what they get.

Whyte has publicly said that he's being offered less money to fight Anthony Joshua than he got for fighting Derek Chisora, lol.

Why feel the need to lie, about stuff that can literally be shown to be a lie within minutes? Makes no damn sense.

Fury was offered a fee. Wilder was offered a fee. Whyte may have been offered points, but he likely got a fee. Jarell Miller is getting a fee offered. This is public information.

40% to Whyte is likely excessive, but Eddie Hearn has spent all this time talking up the "grudge match" with Whyte, and it's the only fight below Wilder or Fury that Matchroom Sport is ready to risk Wembley with; it's not 40%, but it's more than 20%.