Comments Thread For: Golovkin Welcomes War With Canelo: He's NOT a Heavy Puncher

[KillaMane26]

it's a double standard. The same fans that support Canelo now bashed mayweather for yrs. Now they've changed their tune because one of their own has chosen to be an obvious diva, accept without the same accomplishments as mayweather.

THANK YOU....TEAM NELO TRIED TO COPY FLOYD. But it just looks worst cuz he aint that good. I mean the guy made his own weightclass

[Diego Rodriguez]

If he wasn't a heavy puncher then why didn't GG walk him down instead of being so cautious? Answer is CANELO hit hard enough for GG to respect him.

I agree with this. Not so much in walk him down because Golovkin was always moving forward but he definitely did not treat Canelo like he was Brook. While Canelo did back up more than Brook he was there enough times that Golovkin could have been more aggressive. But possibly he wasn't worried so much about return fire power but just missing and getting countered with scoring punches. Or maybe he was indeed concerned with his power. Canelo is definitely a more difficult opponent to hit than Brook.

I am a Golovkin fan so what I hope to see from him is a more aggressive fight. I want to see him in Canelo's jock from the start. I would love to see Canelo go toe to toe a lot more than he did in the first fight but I lean to him fighting similar to what he did in the first fight, maybe a little less going back.

Should be interesting to see.

[Make U Cry]

Why were u scared to attack when u had Canelo on the ropes then?

U, not Canelo, did the booty dew.

Ur face after the fight looked like it got hit by an acid attack.

Lil G is a shameless LIAR.

[AKAcronym]

Why were u scared to attack when u had Canelo on the ropes then?

U, not Canelo, did the booty dew.

Ur face after the fight looked like it got hit by an acid attack.

Lil G is a shameless LIAR.

When did this happen?

[Diego Rodriguez]

Your partially correct. Canelo tested positive, not once but twice for Clenbuterol. Clinical studies show these effects of Clenbuterol below. After you and the ENTIRE FORUM read this, let me know CLENBUTETOL is just used to “lose weight” and does not give a competitive advanatage in a fight. This is the “stuff” that was inside Canelos body, contaminated meat or not.

1. Clenbuterol has thermogenic effects on the body. This thermogenic effect promotes lipolysis, a process where your body uses fat as an energy source.

2. It provides a boost in oxygen transportation. More oxygen flow means you will have more endurance and power, this can be extremely beneficial when training.

3. Clenbuterol has been shown to amp up the metabolic rate of the body. You will burn off more calories by stimulating fat cells and the breakdown of fat.

4. Increases the oxygen transportation in the body which will increase strength, performance and endurance. Most clen users experience a great increase in strength and performance the first few weeks of using the drug.

5. Clenbuterol is a stimulant and has similar functions as ephedrine. As a result of the stimulating properties of clen, you will have more energy and endurance which may be one of the reason for the strength gains users experience when using the drug.

6. Clen is not as anabolic as steroids but it has been shown to be successful in losing body fat while gaining lean muscle mass. This is one of the most desirable things for bodybuilders to achieve, and is used mainly by them to preserve lean muscle mass while losing fat. A study performed on males showed that only a 2 week use of clenbuterol increased their muscle mass 4.3% and reduced their fat by 15.4%.

7. Study confirms that clenbuterol activates a very sensitive beta 2-adrenergic system which affects feeding behavior. This means you will not feel as hungry throughout the day and it may stop cravings.

It is just like drinking sugar water. . . LOL!

It is the unknown of the fight. As someone who follows multiple sports my gut is now in the, yeah he took it. That said I have no idea how much it benefited him. It is more than reasonable to think it did. The margins of error are small in sports and even small benefits can make the world of difference.

Prior to the Clen issue I was not that interested in the fight. Interested but not on the level I am now. I want to see what Canelo looks like. Is he the same fighter or degraded? Seeing the videos right now he looks smaller but who knows? Hard to tell from a video with his shirt on. I think they are saying it is planned but you have to roll your eyes just a tad and say that seems awfully convenient. I am curious to see what Canelo looks like on weigh in day.

Fun times, one month away.

[markther]

It is just like drinking sugar water. . . LOL!

It is the unknown of the fight. As someone who follows multiple sports my gut is now in the, yeah he took it. That said I have no idea how much it benefited him. It is more than reasonable to think it did. The margins of error are small in sports and even small benefits can make the world of difference.

Prior to the Clen issue I was not that interested in the fight. Interested but not on the level I am now. I want to see what Canelo looks like. Is he the same fighter or degraded? Seeing the videos right now he looks smaller but who knows? Hard to tell from a video with his shirt on. I think they are saying it is planned but you have to roll your eyes just a tad and say that seems awfully convenient. I am curious to see what Canelo looks like on weigh in day.

Fun times, one month away.

I am looking forward to the weigh in also. And how Canelo looks in the first round, how confident he is. Interesting!

[Boxing Goat]

GGG said he’s not changing anything cuz he can’t

Why change what won already? That would be ******.

[Boxing Goat]

So Canelo is not a heavy puncher yet ggg abandoned going to the body simply beacause........ the only thing ggg did better in their first fight is land more jabs. Canelo outlanded him in body and power punches

No, he didn't outland him in any area. Compubox fckd that one up bad. It's documented on YouT@be

[Diego Rodriguez]

The type of “knowledge” as you stated are “common sense” responses from what I call armchair boxing fans and really don’t show any boxing IQ at all. They are bird parrot responses, basically repeating what has been said already here or elsewhere or heard.

Here is what a “real boxing IQ” will illustrate. It breaks down the tactical strategies more. You want to know the accurate reason GGG didn’t go to the body more and only threw (8) body shots the entire night. It’s because the body shot is easier to counter in boxing than the jab is. That’s boxing 101 and one of the first things you learn in a boxing gym. GGG threw more jabs and power shots in the first fight because Canelo was more accurate with his counter shots. Canelo’s effective counter punching and the angles he created with his footwork discouraged GGG from going to the body. When GGG throws body shots, he prefers a specific stance. Canelo’s ring generalship never allowed him to get set for the type of body shots GGG likes to throw and was effective with against past opponents. And most of the punches GGG threw were jabs and power shots to the head.

So Canelo was so effective with his countering and footwork all night, that GGG jabbed instead of throwing body shots to set up his head shots, instead of body shots to set up his head shots like he normally does. Again, it is more difficult to counter a jab than a punch to the body. So Boxers can be reluctant to throw certain punches based off what’s easier to counter.

And fighters can sometimes be reluctant to go in and it doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with fearing the power of another fighter. It means they are afraid of being countered where points are scored and collected. For example, fighters that faced guys like Pernall Whitaker & Floyd Mayweather including Canelo, weren’t necessarily afraid of their power but afraid of losing rounds on points and getting countered and hit period. So GGG is basically saying Canelo isn’t much of a heavy puncher “to him” as much as an effective counter puncher that can accumulate points within rounds that can win a fight & sway the judges. I’m sure GGG felt Canelo’s punches but he is probably comparing them to other punches he felt such as Lemieux or Jacobs or other “natural middleweights.”

Another thing, I joke about Canelo but I think he won that first fight. GGG got awarded for aggression but it wasn’t effective aggression. He threw more jabs and power shots but his accuracy wasn’t there. Canelo got awarded from judges on his effective counter shots. But they didn’t award him enough. They got caught up in GGG coming forward all night and just throwing more. He landed punches but they weren’t as effective and as impactful as the punches Canelo landed. That is why the fight was score a draw, it was the optics and how it looked to each judge scoring the fight.

The (1) judge who had it wide for Canelo, he saw only (8) body shots from GGG which is a staple in his arsenal in previous fights and he saw a lot of GGG’s punches missing as compared to Canelos, so he believed Canelo was running away with the fight all night. And when GGG did land, his punches didn’t have the same type of impact they had in previous fights. Judges will consider that. Canelo didn’t appear to be hurt all night from any shot.

The judge that score for GGG, thought he was the agressor and dictated the fight because he was coming forward and throwing more punches. All the stats suggest that but he wasn’t effectively cutting off the ring and controlling the fight. The (1) judge that scored for GGG was based on his perception of who was controlling the fight, right or wrong. Sugar Ray Leonard backed up all night against Hagler but stood in certain moments in each round in front of Hagler and threw crisp landing shots that were clearly scored by the judges even though they didn’t hurt Hagler. Canelo probably knows he didn’t do enough of what Leonard did which is why they said they will increase their endurance and throw more punches in the second fight.

And it you look at my response to the boxingfanatic on Clenbutrol, it shows he knows nothing about what was in Canelos body. And this POST shows NONE of YOU really know sh@t about boxing-LOL!

Good post, not saying I agree with all or most.

1) Totally right about the body and countering. There is another possibility which you aren't considering. He simply got off his game plan. Not saying that is the case but just maybe he became to focused on throwing upstairs. That's a negative against a fighter but a distinct possibility.

2) I did not see ring generalship from Canelo. That is subjective but in my eyes I did not see Canelo controlling the ring. I think this is pretty interesting. I do not put heavy stock into ring generalship, it is part of scoring but when it comes down to it there is no allocated percent you have to give to it.



3) I think stating Canelo was "so effective" as giving him too much credit. Maybe semantics but so effective seems like a stretch. He was effective at times. I saw many of his return fire missing or partially blocked.

4) I stated the same thing that maybe he didn't throw to the body not for fear of Canelo's power but simply because he might miss, Canelo does have good movement, and then being hit with a scoring punch.

5) We obviously disagree on the scoring but you've stated your opinion clearly. You saw Canelo's punches as much cleaner than I did. I saw lots of Canelo's punches were partially blocked. He also just flat out landed to few punches.

6) Leonard did more than Canelo. And just doing more might have been enough in my book to have won the fight for Canelo. I loved Haglar and after watching the SRL fight I always nudge ever so slightly to SRL. Had he done just a tad less he would have loss.

7) Saying you will increase your endurance and doing it are two different things. Canelo has always had an endurance problem. I thought he showed more stamina than any other fight given his style. And what does he sacrifice if he tries to improve his endurance. Is he lighter on his feet and does that weaken him? He throws more punches and possibly opens himself up to receive more. He does not have a great jab so throwing more punches means he needs to be in the pocket more to receive.

8) not sure your stance on Clen. IMO if he was using then yes I think he benefited.

Look forward to the fight!

[markther]

Good post, not saying I agree with all or most.

1) Totally right about the body and countering. There is another possibility which you aren't considering. He simply got off his game plan. Not saying that is the case but just maybe he became to focused on throwing upstairs. That's a negative against a fighter but a distinct possibility.

2) I did not see ring generalship from Canelo. That is subjective but in my eyes I did not see Canelo controlling the ring. I think this is pretty interesting. I do not put heavy stock into ring generalship, it is part of scoring but when it comes down to it there is no allocated percent you have to give to it.



3) I think stating Canelo was "so effective" as giving him too much credit. Maybe semantics but so effective seems like a stretch. He was effective at times. I saw many of his return fire missing or partially blocked.

4) I stated the same thing that maybe he didn't throw to the body not for fear of Canelo's power but simply because he might miss, Canelo does have good movement, and then being hit with a scoring punch.

5) We obviously disagree on the scoring but you've stated your opinion clearly. You saw Canelo's punches as much cleaner than I did. I saw lots of Canelo's punches were partially blocked. He also just flat out landed to few punches.

6) Leonard did more than Canelo. And just doing more might have been enough in my book to have won the fight for Canelo. I loved Haglar and after watching the SRL fight I always nudge ever so slightly to SRL. Had he done just a tad less he would have loss.

7) Saying you will increase your endurance and doing it are two different things. Canelo has always had an endurance problem. I thought he showed more stamina than any other fight given his style. And what does he sacrifice if he tries to improve his endurance. Is he lighter on his feet and does that weaken him? He throws more punches and possibly opens himself up to receive more. He does not have a great jab so throwing more punches means he needs to be in the pocket more to receive.

8) not sure your stance on Clen. IMO if he was using then yes I think he benefited.

Look forward to the fight!

That’s a common misconception about Ring Generalship. And it was very important to guys like Mayweather & Leonard & Ali & Whitaker and some of the other great boxers.

The New York State Athletic Commission incorporated that into scoring fights all the way back in 1929. And you conceded that it’s part of scoring. But by the very definition, ring generalship is the ability of a boxer to dictate the pace, style, and tactics of a bout versus his opponent." It is one of “four factors” used to judge professional boxing, along with clean punching, effective aggression, and defense. Floyd Mayweather always spoke about taking away the strengths of his opponents because that weighed heavily with the judges.

From afar, it appeared in the 1st fight that Canelo did more of this and it impacted his scoring more heavily with (2) of the judges scoring the fight.