Comments Thread For: Golovkin Welcomes War With Canelo: He's NOT a Heavy Puncher

[j0zef]

The type of “knowledge” as you stated are “common sense” responses from what I call armchair boxing fans and really don’t show any boxing IQ at all. They are bird parrot responses, basically repeating what has been said already here or elsewhere or heard.

Here is what a “real boxing IQ” will illustrate. It breaks down the tactical strategies more. You want to know the accurate reason GGG didn’t go to the body more and only threw (8) body shots the entire night. It’s because the body shot is easier to counter in boxing than the jab is. That’s boxing 101 and one of the first things you learn in a boxing gym. GGG threw more jabs and power shots in the first fight because Canelo was more accurate with his counter shots. Canelo’s effective counter punching and the angles he created with his footwork discouraged GGG from going to the body. When GGG throws body shots, he prefers a specific stance. Canelo’s ring generalship never allowed him to get set for the type of body shots GGG likes to throw and was effective with against past opponents. And most of the punches GGG threw were jabs and power shots to the head.

Any powershot is easier to counter than a jab. Even though both fighters have good jabs, Golovkin's is both better, and he has a reach advantage.

Another large reason why Golovkin didn't throw a lot of body shots is because he got warned for hitting Canelo's side in round 2 or 3 (I forget). Due to Canelo's upper body movement, he knew he'd accidentally hit that a few times. He or Sanchez mentioned that after the fight, especially saying since it's in Vegas they did not want to take the risk.

So Canelo was so effective with his countering and footwork all night, that GGG jabbed instead of throwing body shots to set up his head shots, instead of body shots to set up his head shots like he normally does. Again, it is more difficult to counter a jab than a punch to the body. So Boxers can be reluctant to throw certain punches based off what’s easier to counter.

Golovkin always jabs a lot. Him going away from body shots and jabbing more are two very separate issues.

And fighters can sometimes be reluctant to go in and it doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with fearing the power of another fighter. It means they are afraid of being countered where points are scored and collected. For example, fighters that faced guys like Pernall Whitaker & Floyd Mayweather including Canelo, weren’t necessarily afraid of their power but afraid of losing rounds on points and getting countered and hit period. So GGG is basically saying Canelo isn’t much of a heavy puncher “to him” as much as an effective counter puncher that can accumulate points within rounds that can win a fight & sway the judges. I’m sure GGG felt Canelo’s punches but he is probably comparing them to other punches he felt such as Lemieux or Jacobs or other “natural middleweights.”

Completely disagree. Golovkin was actively reluctant to attack Canelo on the ropes. That's not a points decision, that's a safety decision.

Another thing, I joke about Canelo but I think he won that first fight. GGG got awarded for aggression but it wasn’t effective aggression. He threw more jabs and power shots but his accuracy wasn’t there. Canelo got awarded from judges on his effective counter shots. But they didn’t award him enough. They got caught up in GGG coming forward all night and just throwing more. He landed punches but they weren’t as effective and as impactful as the punches Canelo landed. That is why the fight was score a draw, it was the optics and how it looked to each judge scoring the fight.

The (1) judge who had it wide for Canelo, he saw only (8) body shots from GGG which is a staple in his arsenal in previous fights and he saw a lot of GGG’s punches missing as compared to Canelos, so he believed Canelo was running away with the fight all night. And when GGG did land, his punches didn’t have the same type of impact they had in previous fights. Judges will consider that. Canelo didn’t appear to be hurt all night from any shot.

You have your opinion, others have theirs. Fights aren't scored by who missed most punches.
Canelo didn't look hurt by the punches. (Which I can disagree with in a couple of vids) But in any case, neither was Golovkin. You're using different standards based on fighters' reputations.

I'd recommend you to watch the fight again, or an edited version of the fight that includes slow-motion. One of the biggest topics after the fight was that Golovkin didn't land many clean shots, which is 100% true. What goes unmentioned is that a huge number of Canelo's highlight reel looking shots either barely missed or were blocked.

When I saw the fight live, I thought it was very close and was cool with a draw. After watching a replay, and then especially catching some slow motion vids, Canelo was much less effective than I initially thought.

[Graz]

The fact that Canelo had the audcatity to complain about getting a draw in a fight he deserved to lose shows his level of entitlement. He's of the mindset that if he goes 12, the decision should just be handed to him. As it has been in the past. Same way he thinks that his positive tests should be forgiven, forgotten and never brought up.

Good post. Right on point.

[markther]

Any powershot is easier to counter than a jab. Even though both fighters have good jabs, Golovkin's is both better, and he has a reach advantage.

Another large reason why Golovkin didn't throw a lot of body shots is because he got warned for hitting Canelo's side in round 2 or 3 (I forget). Due to Canelo's upper body movement, he knew he'd accidentally hit that a few times. He or Sanchez mentioned that after the fight, especially saying since it's in Vegas they did not want to take the risk.

Golovkin always jabs a lot. Him going away from body shots and jabbing more are two very separate issues.

Completely disagree. Golovkin was actively reluctant to attack Canelo on the ropes. That's not a points decision, that's a safety decision.


You have your opinion, others have theirs. Fights aren't scored by who missed most punches.
Canelo didn't look hurt by the punches. (Which I can disagree with in a couple of vids) But in any case, neither was Golovkin. You're using different standards based on fighters' reputations.

I'd recommend you to watch the fight again, or an edited version of the fight that includes slow-motion. One of the biggest topics after the fight was that Golovkin didn't land many clean shots, which is 100% true. What goes unmentioned is that a huge number of Canelo's highlight reel looking shots either barely missed or were blocked.

When I saw the fight live, I thought it was very close and was cool with a draw. After watching a replay, and then especially catching some slow motion vids, Canelo was much less effective than I initially thought.

It really depends on the power shot. I mean there are different types of power shots to the body and to the head. For example; there are (7) different types of jab a boxer can throw, not just one. And every professional boxer will explain to you that throwing a power shot to the body leaves them much more vulnerable than throwing one to the head. Its all about mechanics and body positioning when you throw a punch and at which angle you leave your head exposed.

For example; even when you throw a jab to the body, you throw it at the waist level of an opponent ensuring you punch “up” into the opponent. But in doing so you completely expose your head. And with an orthodox style opponent, he can come over that jab to the body with straight right hand. So to lesson the danger and to generate more power, you have to throw that shot perpendicular to the opponent while simultaneously bringing your right hand up to protect the “right” side of your chin and burying your head in your shoulder and outstretched arm. That way only the top of your head is exposed. It’s one fluid motion intended to set up the next shot or a power shot upstairs. Which is what GGG has done his entire career but Canelo limited that foot and body positioning for GGG in the 1st fight. Thus he was reluctant to throw body shots, let alone jabs to the body. He threw (8) total body shots. And the ones you mentioned that hit Canelo on the side was because GGG was not balanced and positioned right and Canelo had a lot to do with that. So GGG threw jabs upstairs to get inside or he threw jabs upstairs to throw power shots upstairs. Canelo’s team developed a specific strategy in camp for the first fight to counter any shots to the body. And I never said that GGG doesn’t throw jabs upstairs in previous fights. But I’ve never seen him just throw (8) body shots in a fight.

And I completely disagree with your accessment of GGG being reluctant to attack Canelo from the ropes. Don’t you think Canelos team worked on effective counter shots from the ropes as a strategy. They knew at times Canelo would be on the ropes. Mayweather made a career out of something called the check left hook and pull counter. Canelo’s team worked on both. And everyone knows you have to have controlled aggression or you will get countered all night. GGG wasn’t concerned about getting knocked out attacking Canelo on the ropes. He was concerned about getting countered consistently which would score points. And Canelo did not present an angle off the ropes for GGG to effectively come in without being countered.

I watched the fight a few times and I can see a draw but I can also see how “the judges” would perceive the fight. Those were my main points, how the “judges” perceive the scoring. And they weigh several factors including what they know about both fighters. That’s common sense. They have to have some knowledge of how fighters control and win fights, what their effective fighting styles are. And then they judge the fights based on (4) factors that are part of the scoring system. Effective Agression, Clean & Hard Punching, Ring Generalship, and Defense. So judges have to have previous knowledge of how specific fighters are effective in those (4) areas and how they looked in those areas in the current fight they are judging.

[Senor_frogs]

You must like little children, I struck a nerve. Shut up you little crying b@tch-LOL!!! I will say what I want to your punk ass. And this is a boxing forum so why are you here, internet loser. YOU don’t know sh@t about boxing-LOLLOLLOLLOL!!!!

Something is wrong with this guy acts like a child

[Joe Beamish]

118-110 for Alvarez. Wow. Guess it’s been awhile cuz I didn’t remember the robbery being so blatant.

It's so crazy. And how could any judge have given Canelo 114-114 against Mayweather? Watch that fight again. How is a draw a remotely possible score?

Cheats.

[Senor_frogs]

Fawking ******ed **** sucker your face doesn’t get messed up but power it’s by simply getting hit. Canelo is a little scared beeotch running scared oh but but but he stood there toe to toe gtfoh fan boy

Cinnamon is a scared “beeotch” says the keyboard warrior. He’s so scared he’s fighting him for a second time. I think we know who the fanboy is

[markther]

Something is wrong with this guy acts like a child

Beat it frog face. Mind your f@cking business before you get your feelings hurt. And your the child with those ****** ass child emojis. You must be 100 years old, use some updated ones loser.
And your missing your routine breast feeding from your pathetic mother-LOL!!!

[TonyGe]

but but golovkin missed shots..

lol..............

[Senor_frogs]

Beat it frog face. Mind your f@cking business before you get your feelings hurt. And your the child with those ****** ass child emojis. You must be 100 years old, use some updated ones loser.
And your missing your routine breast feeding from your pathetic mother-LOL!!!

Update emojis like “-LOL!!” . You have serious problem kid. And what’s with your infatuation with pedophelia and ******? That’s all you talk about. Go get some help.

[markther]

Update emojis like “-LOL!!” . You have some nasty fetishes in pedophelia and ******. That’s all you talk about. What kind of creature are you?

Thanks for the compliments!!!
But we all know you have special fetishes-LOL!!!!