Comments Thread For: Wilder: I Don't Think Joshua Has The Motivation To Unify - I Do!

[Ray*]

I hope old & inactive Stiverne ends this Hypejob tonight with a brutal KO.

Nah we need a Wilder win, that Joshua fight needs to be built up. So far no one really care about Wilder, but since Joshua name has been brought up recently by him, people are now taking notice of him (Wilder). Hopefully this would provide the hype that is needed for this fight to fulfill its potential. As of now that fight isn’t even 50% in term of reaching the potential that is needed. Why? Because Wilder on his part hasn’t done much.

[Ray*]

Wilder wanted Parker in July 2017 and the Klitschko/Joshua winner in November 2017. Wilder flew to England to scout the Klitschko/Joshua fight and drum up interest in him facing the winner. He stated publicly over and over that he was willing to do everything possible so that 2017 could end with a four belt undisputed champion.

Arum blocked the July fight with Parker and Hearn doesn't want Wilder until late 2018 at the earliest (which is smart business on Hearn's part, I'm not criticizing him for it).

But it's silly to question Wilder's desire to unify. There is nobody on the planet that wants heavyweight unification more than Deontay Wilder.

I don’t think anyone can questioned his desire to unify, most B-side have the same desire. No one can ever accuse a B-side if ducking a A-side.

[N/A]

All fair points except Breazeale is not facing the leading contender. The leading contender now is Dillian Whyte.

Breazeale is facing the leading AVAILABLE contender. That is how this stuff works. That is the reason Joshua was able to fight Takam and have it count as his mandatory. Takam was the leading AVAILABLE contender, not the leading contender.

Luckily, Whyte remains the top ranked contender & Breazeale-Molina is NOT a final eliminator, confirmed by the WBC yesterday.

Link please. Not saying you're wrong, things can change quickly in this business. The plan as of Thursday was for it to be a final eliminator.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Joshua beat wladimir Klitschko, long reigning king of the division for over a decade before Fury dethroned him.

Wilder beat stiverne LOL.

Klitschko could beat Stiverne with one hand behind his back.

None of that changes the fact that Stiverne was #3 in the world when Wilder beat him and Klitschko was unranked when Joshua beat him.

Stiverne was #3 because he was the reigning and defending WBC heavyweight champion of the world.

Klitschko was unranked because it had been so long since he'd fought, and even longer since he'd won a fight, that he was no longer eligible for the rankings. Klitschko is a legend. A great name for Joshua to have on his resume. A much better name than anything on Wilder's resume.

But that doesn't change the fact that Klitschko looked like he was starting to slip against Jennings, Klitschko looked absolutely horrible against Fury, and then was out of the ring for another year and a half after that.

So we can't ignore that it was an old unranked deteriorated Klitschko stepping into the ring. THREE YEARS REMOVED from his last dominant win.


If we take the emotion out of it, and simply go by the world's most credible rankings, Wilder's best win is #3 and Joshua's best win is #6.

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I don’t think anyone can questioned his desire to unify, most B-side have the same desire. No one can ever accuse a B-side if ducking a A-side.

Of course. We've never denied that Wilder is the B-side.

The problem is that this website is plagued by trolls who insist Wilder is a horrible fighter who is ducking everybody because he would lose to anybody with a pulse.

But the facts don't support that position. The facts are that Wilder would be the betting favorite against every single human on Earth except for Joshua. So if Wilder is such a terrible boxer, how can that be? Doesn't make any sense.

And if Wilder is "ducking" everybody, why is he trying so hard to make a unification happen? Doesn't make sense.

[Ray*]

Of course. We've never denied that Wilder is the B-side.

The problem is that this website is plagued by trolls who insist Wilder is a horrible fighter who is ducking everybody because he would lose to anybody with a pulse.

But the facts don't support that position. The facts are that Wilder would be the betting favorite against every single human on Earth except for Joshua. So if Wilder is such a terrible boxer, how can that be? Doesn't make any sense.

And if Wilder is "ducking" everybody, why is he trying so hard to make a unification happen? Doesn't make sense.

I have backed Wilder for years now, I still pick him over Joshua and still believe he is the favourite, having said that it is pretty much obvious that he isn’t going to get that Joshua fight next, if he isn’t fulfilling a mandatory in his next fight then I hope to see him in with Parker, if he however fights another mediocre fight next for less than he was offered against Whyte, then I would accuse him of ducking Whyte.....

[soul_survivor]

Wilder wanted Parker in July 2017 and the Klitschko/Joshua winner in November 2017. Wilder flew to England to scout the Klitschko/Joshua fight and drum up interest in him facing the winner. He stated publicly over and over that he was willing to do everything possible so that 2017 could end with a four belt undisputed champion.

Arum blocked the July fight with Parker and Hearn doesn't want Wilder until late 2018 at the earliest (which is smart business on Hearn's part, I'm not criticizing him for it).

But it's silly to question Wilder's desire to unify. There is nobody on the planet that wants heavyweight unification more than Deontay Wilder.

Lol I asked you a simple question. When did he want to fight Wlad? The answer is never. Wlad wasnt champion in 2017.

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I have backed Wilder for years now, I still pick him over Joshua and still believe he is the favourite, having said that it is pretty much obvious that he isn’t going to get that Joshua fight next, if he isn’t fulfilling a mandatory in his next fight then I hope to see him in with Parker, if he however fights another mediocre fight next for less than he was offered against Whyte, then I would accuse him of ducking Whyte.....

We personally view Joshua-Wilder as a dead even pick 'em fight, but there's no denying Joshua would be the betting favorite.

Parker was made a substantial offer to unify in July 2017, but Bob Arum would not allow that fight. Top Rank's deal with ESPN was not completed yet and the last thing in the world that Arum needed was to lose his only piece of the heavyweight title. Haymon was willing to overpay Parker, but there was no dollar amount that was going to get Arum to budge.

As for "ducking" Whyte, that is nothing more than Eddie Hearn propaganda. Wilder makes WAY MORE than what Hearn is offering now if he waits until Whyte is the mandatory. All of the Wilder haters were whining about how he should have accepted $3 million and what a good deal it was, now the offer is supposedly $4 million. But Haymon knows what Wilder is worth, knows what that fight is worth, and I guarantee you Hearn will keep increasing the offer. This is a business. Wilder knows what the fight would generate in the UK and knows he'll make 73% of that money if he beats Whyte when he becomes the mandatory.

Hearn is a business man. If $4 million is such a good deal for Wilder, why is Hearn offering it? Whyte will likely be the mandatory in the next year or two. Why is Hearn offering this "great" deal? Because it's not a great deal at all. It's just a way to brainwash the fans who don't understand the inner workings of the sport.

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Lol I asked you a simple question. When did he want to fight Wlad? The answer is never. Wlad wasnt champion in 2017.

Deontay Wilder: I Could Beat Wladimir Klitschko Tomorrow

NOV 10, 2015 @ 10:29 AM



If Deontay Wilder had the chance to fight Wladimir Klitschko in the next year, he'd sign the contract as soon as possible. If they fought next month, Wilder would like his chances. Heck, if Wilder had the chance next week to take the three belts that Klitschko currently holds and unify the heavyweight championship, Wilder would immediately start getting his hands taped.

With a 35-0 record and 34 knockouts to his name, Wilder is the most exciting American heavyweight since Baltimore's Hasim Rahman traded championship knockouts with Lennox Lewis at the beginning of this century. The fact that Wilder is entertaining outside of the ring as well only helps his Q-rating and his growing fanbase. But his confidence could make him the complete package.

An American hasn't been considered THE heavyweight champ of the world since Evander Holyfield in the 1990s, and Wilder would have to go through Klitschko (64-3, 53 KOs) -- who hasn't lost a bout in 11 years -- in order to make that happen. Wilder, who sparred with Klitschko in 2012, knows that it will.

"If it was tomorrow, I could beat him," Wilder recently told Forbes. "I've improved so much since 2012, and he's declining. He's getting older. He's not going to be the same as he was. We know each other, and I know how to beat him. I know what it takes. He doesn't have as much energy as I do. I'm the toughest, the strongest and the fastest heavyweight he's faced."

For now, though, Wilder isn't in line to fight Klitschko, who will face Tyson Fury on Nov. 28 in Germany. And Wilder -- whose mandatory opponent for his belt is Alexander Povetkin but who, according to ESPN, could face Czar Glazkov (21-0-1, 13 KOs) in January -- is content to wait.

After all, he's 30 years old and, thanks to the fact that he's fought 10 times in the last 35 months, he's in prime shape. Klitschko, while still the most dominant and longest-running heavyweight champ since Larry Holmes, is 39 years old. He obviously isn't getting younger, and little by little, his reflexes (though probably not his power) are worsening. There's no getting around that for Klitschko.

But Wilder also doesn't think he'll have to wait for too much longer. Every time somebody mentions Klitschko's name to him, Wilder envisions the month of September 2016.

"Everybody will be clear of mandatories then. He wants it; I want it," Wilder said. "Why not? Let's do it once and for all. I'm very confident in what I'm going to do. For me as time passes by, it's more a benefit to me than it is to him. I haven't even peaked as a heavyweight yet. If I were him, I'd try to fight me right now."

It certainly would add a huge serving of polish to Wilder's resume -- which, for the most part, is rather lacking. That's actually the biggest criticism that Wilder receives. Clearly he's got power, and as showed when winning a 12-round decision against Bermane Stiverne to win the title, Wilder isn't solely a knockout artist. But people look at who he's fought, and the lack of notable names is immediately apparent -- even Klitschko has given his opinion on the matter.

The win vs. Stiverne was impressive -- "I displayed I can take a punch, I can go 12 rounds, I can box, I can fight on the inside and the outside," Wilder said -- but other than that, Wilder's opponents have been ordinary, especially since winning his title. But Wilder doesn't seem bothered by that criticism. Not every opponent can be an elite fighter, he said, and since he fights so often as compared to most other high-level boxers, he's sure to take on at least a few opponents that don't garner much recognition.

Men like Eric Molina and Johann Duhaupas -- who were a combined 55-4 before facing Wilder but who couldn't be picked out of a lineup by most of the world's boxing fans. Wilder beat both of them in the past five months, but it wasn't as easy as it had been in the past -- Molina lasted until the ninth round and Duhaupas the 11th. Aside from Stiverne, they are the longest ever to last in a match vs. Wilder.


They were seen by the boxing public more as quantity instead of quality. But were they?

"It's a balance," Wilder said. "How do you determine what's quality? Let's say you get one guy who's undefeated and beats everybody. What are you going to label him as? He's quality? But if you knock him out in the first round, he's quantity. Let's say you fight somebody who has some losses, and he's tougher than the guy you thought was going to be quality. You just never know what type of fighter you're going to bring."

We know, of course, what label Klitschko would receive, and Povetkin, who's 30-1 with 22 knockouts and whose only defeat came in a shutout loss to Klitschko in 2013, also would get that "quality" label. But Wilder is even more confident about facing Povetkin.

"Whether it's here or in Russia, I'm going to whip his a--," the 6-foot-7 Wilder said. "To the credit of Stiverne, he moves his head just a little bit. Povetkin doesn't move his head at all. He can't fight a tall fighter. I'm much more mobile, more athletic and faster than Klitschko. It's going to be an easy fight. I might land every punch I throw."

Either way, Wilder plans on being around and making a large impact for a long time to come. Maybe in September 2016, he'll prove it to the rest of us.

"I will bring back heavyweight boxing to its full potential -- and probably beyond that," he said. "The heavyweight division fell off for a bit. Everybody blames it on the Klitschkos and the boring style they have and the boring personality. Whoever could unify that division, that's when that stardom begins, and when I retire, I want to be a hard act to follow."

[Ray*]

We personally view Joshua-Wilder as a dead even pick 'em fight, but there's no denying Joshua would be the betting favorite.

Parker was made a substantial offer to unify in July 2017, but Bob Arum would not allow that fight. Top Rank's deal with ESPN was not completed yet and the last thing in the world that Arum needed was to lose his only piece of the heavyweight title. Haymon was willing to overpay Parker, but there was no dollar amount that was going to get Arum to budge.

As for "ducking" Whyte, that is nothing more than Eddie Hearn propaganda. Wilder makes WAY MORE than what Hearn is offering now if he waits until Whyte is the mandatory. All of the Wilder haters were whining about how he should have accepted $3 million and what a good deal it was, now the offer is supposedly $4 million. But Haymon knows what Wilder is worth, knows what that fight is worth, and I guarantee you Hearn will keep increasing the offer. This is a business. Wilder knows what the fight would generate in the UK and knows he'll make 73% of that money if he beats Whyte when he becomes the mandatory.

Hearn is a business man. If $4 million is such a good deal for Wilder, why is Hearn offering it? Whyte will likely be the mandatory in the next year or two. Why is Hearn offering this "great" deal? Because it's not a great deal at all. It's just a way to brainwash the fans who don't understand the inner workings of the sport.

If Wilder to make more than whatever Hearn is offering now as a champion to a mandatory then he has to hope whoever wins the purse bid wins it with like $8million. As far as I know Povetkin won that last one which was going to make Wilder $5m. All I know is if Wilder fight anyone that makes him less then Hearn has definitely won his propaganda.