Comments Thread For: Whyte Livid With WBC - Breazeale-Molina Winner in Line For Wilder

[daggum]

wilder fanboys....what can ya do with them? they are mind bobbingly dumb. "wilder didnt want to fight "insert bum" but he had to" story of his career and their pathetic motto

[nixxter]

But Stiverne was only obligated to step aside if Wilder fought Ortiz, once Ortiz tested diry, Stiverne was entitled to an immediate shot. Leaving Brezeale without a dance partner for the eliminator, thus the leading available contender (Molina) getting the nod.

False. He was mandatory back along. He didn't have to be elevated back to mandatory. The second Ortiz was out, Stiverne was automatically back in as the step aside agreement didn't allow Wilder to fight anyone other than Ortiz without first fighting Stiverne.

Where do you get that information that Stiverne stepped aside only for Ortiz and that if the Ortiz fight did not happen Stiverne was entitled to an immediate shot? Is the contract available to the public? If so where can we see it? Stepping aside is stepping aside. After Ortiz failed the drug test, Wilder's handlers were reported to be looking for other options, Stiverne being just one of them:

//krikya360.com/wilders-h...mber-4--120936
"Wilder’s Handlers Considering Ortiz Replacements for November 4"

//krikya360.com/dillian-w...er-114--120940
"Wilder’s handlers are trying to find a suitable replacement for Ortiz with five weeks to go before Wilder’s November 4 fight at Barclays Center in Brooklyn"

False. He was always going to fight 11/4. Haymon doesn't speak to the media, which causes the media to guess most of the time. Breazeale on 11/4 was the plan all along.

Why was Breazeale negotiating with Hearn to fight Whyte on Joshua - Takam's undercard then?

False. Turning down less money for a worse opportunity is not ducking. Why would anyone fight Whyte for less money and nothing at stake instead of fighting Molina for more money and a guaranteed title shot to the winner?

True. He was told he should take the final eliminator instead of fighting Whyte for no reason and less money.

False. He's making more against Molina, which is why he took the Molina fight. The Whyte offer was a joke. Hearn thought he was desperate and didn't realize Haymon was about to outfox him to prevent Whyte from becoming mandatory.

Firstly, if Breazeale fought Whyte, it would have been a match between WBC #3 and #6 and the winner would have become #1 challenger and mandatory anyway.
Secondly, how much was Hearn's offer and how much is Breazeale getting for Molina? You don't know. I don't know either but I'm willing to bet he's fighting Molina for much less than what he was offered to fight Whyte.

Hey, I just offered Whyte $5 to fight me. I guess he's ducking me if he doesn't accept the offer then huh?

Wilder was offered 4 million to fight Whyte. He fought Gerald Butler (or was his name Denzel Washington?, don't remember) for 900K... How much is he fighting Stiverne now for? Around (less than?) a million? So he turned down Whyte for 4 times more money that he got for Washington and now for Stiverne. If that's not ducking I don't know what is.

What's really ridiculous is he is asking for "7 to 10 million" to fight someone he calls a bum, chump, etc, and whom he says he can knock out with one hand behind his back.

Wilder along with his handlers and delusional fanboys been "tarkin' rubbish" for way too long.

[thack]

The young Suliman is just as bent as the old one was.
Maybe now this will stop Whyte trying to arrange fights with fighters from lighter divisions.He needs to get in the gym lose some weight and fight a rematch with Chisora.

WBC haven't got A.J. in their rankings but have Takam at five who A.J. has just hammered....lol.

WBC are a joke

[N/A]

Where do you get that information that Stiverne stepped aside only for Ortiz and that if the Ortiz fight did not happen Stiverne was entitled to an immediate shot?

Stiverne has confirmed that publicly and Dibella has confirmed that privately.

Stepping aside is stepping aside.

Hahahaha what does that even mean? There is no uniform step aside deal. It's whatever you negotiate. What was negotiated was that Stiverne would step aside for Ortiz and Ortiz only and in exchange, Stiverne would be paid $675,000 to fight Breazeale.

Why was Breazeale negotiating with Hearn to fight Whyte on Joshua - Takam's undercard then?

He wasn't. Hearn made an unsolicited lowball offer because he thought Breazeale was desperate and didn't realize that Haymon had outsmarted him.

Firstly, if Breazeale fought Whyte, it would have been a match between WBC #3 and #6 and the winner would have become #1 challenger and mandatory anyway.

False. Had Breazeale accepted Hearn's offer, he would have lost his position. He needed to stay on the 11/4 card and fight a replacement to keep his inherited final eliminator from Stiverne.

[Corbett]

Where have the WBC said this an final eliminator surely at best this is an eliminator and the winner fights Whyte who has already fought his eliminator

[Jewish-Reptile]

Whyte doesn't deserve his ranking. He never has and never will. ****en bum.

And Breazeale and Molina do ? These three are awful, not one of them is a top ten heavy IMO and if they genuinely are it just shows how shyt the division is.

[nixxter]

Stiverne has confirmed that publicly and Dibella has confirmed that privately.

Any link for Stiverne's public confirmation that he stepped aside only for Ortiz?

What I have read is:

//krikya360.com/wilders-h...mber-4--120936
"Wilder’s Handlers Considering Ortiz Replacements for November 4"

//krikya360.com/dillian-w...er-114--120940
"Wilder’s handlers are trying to find a suitable replacement for Ortiz with five weeks to go before Wilder’s November 4 fight at Barclays Center in Brooklyn"

These and other articles I've read say that Wilder's handlers were looking for replacements. There is nowhere any mention of Stiverne being "entitled to an immediate shot".

He wasn't. Hearn made an unsolicited lowball offer because he thought Breazeale was desperate and didn't realize that Haymon had outsmarted him.

He was, he was pushing to fight Whyte. He posted a few twits to Hearn, along the lines of "let's make this fight happen", "I'm ready to go, let's do it", etc. He's also said as much in interviews. In the end, he did not like Hearn's offer because he thought it was not substantial enough, whatever that means. The point is he was in talks with Hearn to fight Whyte on Joshua - Takam's undercard. So no, Breazeale was not "always going to fight 11/4".

And again, how much was Hearn's "lowball" offer?

False. Had Breazeale accepted Hearn's offer, he would have lost his position. He needed to stay on the 11/4 card and fight a replacement to keep his inherited final eliminator from Stiverne.

Nonsense again. A fight between the two highest ranked challengers would have produced the #1 challenger and mandatory. You said "The WBC went through their top 15, in order, and Molina (#12) was the highest ranked challenger available on such short notice.", which I don't believe but let's assume it's true. Then by your logic we would have had a fight between Molina (#12) and #13 (if available) Agit Kabayel to determine the mandatory instead of the winner of Whyte (#3) - Breazeale (#6)? LOL

You also coveniently skipped the points you have no answer to:

"Secondly, how much was Hearn's offer and how much is Breazeale getting for Molina? You don't know. I don't know either but I'm willing to bet he's fighting Molina for much less than what he was offered to fight Whyte."

and

"Wilder was offered 4 million to fight Whyte. He fought Gerald Butler (or was his name Denzel Washington?, don't remember) for 900K... How much is he fighting Stiverne now for? Around (less than?) a million? So he turned down Whyte for 4 times more money that he got for Washington and now for Stiverne. If that's not ducking I don't know what is."

I think you are "tarkin' rubbish".

[Raggamuffin]

And Breazeale and Molina do ? These three are awful, not one of them is a top ten heavy IMO and if they genuinely are it just shows how shyt the division is.

It does, but Whytes bum ass earning a shot would've been terrible. Molina is an undeserving bum too. Breazeale deserves anything that he can get, but he just can't fight. But I respect him.

[bigjavi973]

hes right he should fight the winner to see whos mando

[Ray*]

Dillian Whyte won an eliminator less than a year ago, but not a final eliminator.

Stiverne was already mandatory and agreed to face Breazeale in a final eliminator. When King Kong's drug test messed up the card, Breazeale's final eliminator can't just be taken away from him. Lawsuit waiting to happen. So the WBC's only choice was to have Breazeale fight the next available leading contender, which ended up being Molina.

Whyte fought on 10/28, so obviously he was unavailable for the 11/4 final eliminator. That's why he was skipped over.

Whyte will get a final eliminator next year and if he wins, he'll be the mandatory for 2019, which means it could take until 2020 to force the fight.

Welcome to boxing.

Before fighting or annoucing the Helenius fight (Which was put together in a few weeks by Hearn on behalf of Whyte) the WBC should have contact both Whyte and Breazeale regarding a fight. I remember Whyte didn't have a fight lined up until late or mid october.

The WBC should make him fight the winner of Breazeale/Molina.