Who else can GGG fight for 10 million?

[robertzimmerman]

Canelo made 3.5 million guarantee against Liam Smith a literal no namer lol

That is nowhere near his usual salary.

Yes, he made that as a guarantee, plus he had a share of the PPV which flopped. So he didn't get that much.

I don't why you have typed: 'lol' when you look like a damn fool.

You should reread your posts before you hit the submit button.

You said a fight against GG COULD NOT quadruple his fight earnings. Yet I've just proved otherwise, by using 2 examples from his last 3 fights.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Yes, he made that as a guarantee, plus he had a share of the PPV which flopped. So he didn't get that much.

I don't why you have typed: 'lol' when you look like a damn fool.

You should reread your posts before you hit the submit button.

You said a fight against GG COULD NOT quadruple his fight earnings.

Yet I've just proved otherwise, from 2 of his last 3 fights.

Do you live in your own world? I disproved you on both of those posts. I literally said 3.5 million GUARANTEE in my post. Yet you're trying to deny that.

[robertzimmerman]

If I keep saying it then quote me on it otherwise shut up.

BJS is not fighting this year. You are delusional if you think he is. He has an injury and the time it takes to negotiate a fight + an 8 week training camp wouldn't have him fighting until January and that is if his team makes a fight this week. BJS isn't about to go from fighting not once this year to twice by January. So again, you are delusional lmfao.

Canelo will get mando spot deal with it.

What the hell are you talking about?

I'm delusional?

Billy is fighting on the 26th of November.

Also, I've just listened to a recent interview with Frank Warren, and he says that the WBO have allowed him to have a voluntary afterwards.

[Raonic]

What exactly does Jacobs bring to the table? He doesn't have a belt, he isn't a big name, and he sure as hell isn't popular with fans. Him and Quillin couldn't even sell out in BK.

Again, if a fighter is paid for there worth then guys like Willie Monroe, Dominic Wade, and Adama should have made about 1% tops of the purse because I'm willing to bet the house that at least 99% of those people watched just for Golovkin.

Well, again, you have to use common sense. Factoring in higher ticket sales (I'm sure it's easier to charge $100 for GGG-Jacobs than $100 for GGG-Monroe for the farthest seats), more viewers, MW ranking, it's easier to fill up a stadium (at a higher price), title, etc then it's easily justifiable that Jacobs gets more than those 2. There's also the easier thing to point to and that's the purse bid where Jacobs has to be paid 25% minimum anyway.

I didn't say it was the only reason, I said the main reason for a fighter's purse is their worth.

What do you think a promoter is thinking about when setting up a fight? A promoter makes a fight with the intention to get profit. That means he needs to set aside a certain amount of money for the purse (expenses) and obviously you need to divide those expenses between the 2 fighters and the main driving point on how to divide those is based on who's the bigger reason this makes more money.

It's obviously the driving point and you have to consider things like weight, titles, location, ranking in the division, etc.

The fact of the matter is, GGG is worth more $10 million to the fight economically. And there's not much to justify that would suggest you have to take away a few million from him he should be forced to take a flat fee instead.

If you are being paid 4x your biggest pay day then you have no room to talk. Especially in Golovkin's shoes. He NEEDS Canelo not the other way around. Canelo will get the WBO belt then it will only make things tougher for Golovkins negotiations.

Lol of course you have room to talk if it undermines you. Obviously GGG needs Canelo more than Canelo needs GGG but that doesn't mean he needs a bad business deal in the process.

I get that GGG's career payday would be $10 million. I get all of that. Instead of focusing on why doesn't accept a career payday flat fee, why don't you ask why Canelo doesn't offer more of the pot that GGG deserves?

All that needs to happen is for GGG to get a fair split of the pot and the fight happens. And if you think about it, fair is what we all want in life, right?

Yet for some reason, you want to blame the guy being offered the flat fee (which undermines his value to the fight) and opposed to the guy using his status to take money out of GGG's pocket? Because Canelo isn't just taking the lion's share. He's taking the lion's share AND then some by not offering GGG the flat fee.

Maybe the concept of getting ****d out of money you deserve is something you are willing to put up with in your life but I don't understand why you'd push it on other people.

Now if GGG won and he had all the belts then he could have a rematch clause where he calls the shots and gets the big piece. He would literally be able to do whatever he wants with Canelo and would be the biggest draw.

Boxing doesn't really work that way. Canelo would still be the bigger draw and Canelo isn't going to accept being bent over for his money.

[Lester Tutor]

I love it. It's very funny. But unfortunately, it's pure fantasy at this stage. Because Oscar doesn't want to sit down and discuss anything face to face. All he wants to do is play games through the media.

lol. What's Oscar's roster compared to Loeffler's? Oscar and Bhop don't need to waste their time with one hit wonder, K2. K2 have a funny defensive fan base

[Raonic]

Canelo made 15-20 million against Khan when everything was all said and done. GGG made 5 million in the uk at a fight that sold out in 10 minutes when it was all said and done. Canelo's pay day against a welterweight was 3-4 times higher than GGG's.

10million is half of Canelo's salary for 1 fight against Amir ****ing Khan whereas 10 million is double Golovkin's biggest payday.

That's exactly what I said. Thanks for giving the numbers too.

Like I said, Canelo makes a hell of a lot more than $15-20 million fighting GGG and GGG makes a hell of a lot more than $5 million fighting Canelo. But GGG needs Canelo more.

In a fight where the pot will be a hell of a lot bigger, why are we then limiting GGG to $10 million (2 times his purse, as you say) for Canelo to take in all the rest?

[Raonic]

Dago is a joker.

He says a GG fight can't quadruple Canelo's purses.

Yet he made $5m for Cotto, and the Smith fight bombed with only 250,000-300,000 PPV buys, where he got a percentage on top of his guaranteed $3.5m.

These guys also love to quote GG's figures against Lemieux, but they won't take into account his fight with Brook that did over 500,000 buys, with over 850,000 people having watched it on HBO.

GG is on the rise.

Sure, Canelo is more popular with a bigger fan base, and yes, he deserves the lions share. But without a big name opponent such as Floyd or Cotto, Canelo doesn't do huge numbers.

Anybody who thinks that Canelo deserves around 70% of the purse, is an absolute moron.

I think the fight is 35-65 or 40-60 with Canelo taking the lion's share, but GGG isn't being offered upside. When it's all said and done, Canelo probably walks out with like $50 million to GGG's $10 mil.

Never mind the fact Khan made $12 million compared to Canelo's $20 million (which, if you think about it sounds pretty fair overall). But GGG needs to take $10 million compared to the $50 million Canelo probably takes home.

[Raonic]

Canelo made 3.5 million guarantee against Liam Smith a literal no namer lol

That is nowhere near his usual salary.

Canelo's guarantee was $3.5 mil regardless of who he fought. Doesn't mean he's worth the $3.5 mil against Liam Smith but he would've gotten paid that amont regardless.

[robertzimmerman]

Do you live in your own world? I disproved you on both of those posts. I literally said 3.5 million GUARANTEE in my post. Yet you're trying to deny that.

So what??

He didn't get much more than that against Smith because it flopped.


We both know what you originally said.

You said a GG fight could not quadruple Canelo's salary.


Yes, it could.


A fight against GG could definitely quadruple some of the purses that he's made in the past, that includes his total purses after his guarantees.

It wouldn't be able to quadruple his purses from his fights against the likes of Khan and Floyd, but it could against the others.

You said that his purse for Smith was a one off.

What about against James Kirkland?

What about against Alfred Angulo?

What about against Lara?

I could go all through his resume.


He got a $3.5m guarantee against Kirkland, and by all accounts the ratings were good.

Against Angulo and Lara, is guaranteed purse was only around $1.5m, and the PPV numbers were between 325-360,000.


Whilst he's done better figures than GG in the past, he does not do huge numbers unless he's fighting a big named opponent. He's not the huge star that many people think he is.

How much will he make for his next fight, which me and you think will be a warm up?

He's not going to make much from it.

GG's figures from the Lemieux fight (which everyone loves to quote) will now be a thing of the past. He's gaining more popularity with each fight, and if he can fight Jacobs and Saunders next, they will probably outsell Canelo's next fight.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

That's exactly what I said. Thanks for giving the numbers too.

Like I said, Canelo makes a hell of a lot more than $15-20 million fighting GGG and GGG makes a hell of a lot more than $5 million fighting Canelo. But GGG needs Canelo more.

In a fight where the pot will be a hell of a lot bigger, why are we then limiting GGG to $10 million (2 times his purse, as you say) for Canelo to take in all the rest?

Again, this fight is not that big.

So we agree that Golovkin needs Canelo more. That will make the difference.

It isn't us limiting GGG to 10 million. Nobody cares what the fans think anyone should be paid. Our opinion holds 0 weight. Golovkin refuses to go up in weight for anyone so there are no other big fights that can be made.

If GGG beats Jacobs (if the fight even gets made) then in my eyes he would have more bargaining power.

The WBO also will determine the bargaining power. If GGG gets the WBO then Canelo needs GGG if he doesn't and Canelo gets it well...GGG will have to settle. Canelo can make big fights if he has a belt. If he has no belt then he doesn't make ****.