GGG bigger than most Middleweights? Why?

[b00g13man]

Bold is an outright lie

And I bet that AW stat is off too. Where do you get your info bro.

You should know better than to pay him any attention.

[robertzimmerman]

He should move up because other fighters are always required to do so..

Crawford just got 140 and they already want him at WW...meanwhile the same people scoff at the thought of GGG moving up.

Broner was slammed for being in a dead LW division...by the same people that root for Golovkin.

If GGG had one of Broner's balls he'd be at 175 kicking asses....or trying to.

We all know that you're completely biased with regards to GG.

I also want him to move up, but only if he definitely can't get fights with Canelo, Jacobs and BJS. At the moment, those fights are still possible. Also, the best fighters at SMW are tied up.

[robertzimmerman]

Boxing is divided by weight,not reach.

Obviously. But if you're analysing a guys size, you need to take into account everything: Height, reach and weight.

There's a world of difference between Curtis Stevens and Kelly Pavlik as MW's.

Nobody can say Floyd was an average WW, because reach has to be taken into account with everything else. If it isn't, then what's the point in having a debate in the first place?

[creekrat77]

You have to take into account: height, weight and reach.


No, GG isn't a big MW.

He's about average size.

He's 5'10, with a 70" reach.


Floyd wasn't an average sized WW, because he has a 72" reach.

If your insinuating that Floyd is more of a average sized light middleweight because of his reach then I disagree.
Look at Morales, he has a 72in reach and would be considered a small 140lber

It is a bit interesting though that Floyd needs an IV to make 147 like he did in the Pac fight haha..

[creekrat77]

My bold and probably true statement: GGG is an average MW. It just so happened that many true MWs who weigh the same or outweigh him are hiding at JMW and it's not limited only to Canelo. The day GGG moves up all these top notch Charlos, Andrades, Canelos and JRocks will start complaining about making 154 and start moving up to a prestigious MW division. It just doesn't make sense that currently MW is considered very weak and JMW is considered very hot yet no superb JMW in the past 3-4 years moved up ONCE to grab a title or MANDATORY at MW and get a good payday with GGG. BAM!

I know haha. I don't see how anyone can deny this. That's why the GGG **** talking from guys at the lower weights wanting him to move up is so pathetic. Canelo is the biggest b*tch of all. I am pretty sure his dad, which is his trainer, didn't want him to fight GGG at all and had a part to play in the ducking. It's insane that his trainer/dad thinks it's safer for his long term career and health to continue having him destroy his body making 154 then fighting with GGG once.

[creekrat77]

around average but nobody claimed that he should move up because he is a too big mw.
HE should move up cause we want to see him challenge himself more. A normal fighter's body should let him fight n two divisions without getting big disadvantages due to his size. No fighter is suited exclusively to one weight class.

In normal cases people doN't even expect fighters to move up but n Golovkin's case we're talking about a supposed, great P4P top fighter and the important part is the "supposed" cause he is here 34 years old and still didn't prove himself against elite competition.

I doN't say that 168 much better now but he would still prove himself more there than fighting in this shell of a weight class with top names in it who would be obliterated by the majority of 154 top fighters too... See how Geale a top 5 mw at that time ended up against Cotto. The same way as against Golovkin maybe even worse. And Cotto wasn't even a bg fighter in 154 not to speak about 160 then...

If Golovkin is a natural mw then it must not cause him problems to move up for a fight or two to challenge himself more (most greats in the history moved up btw or even the ones who didn't had significant wins under their belt in their weight class) and when the Canelo fight would really materialize he can still fight him in mw...

or if you say that this supposed future atg, HOF, etc... fighter you believe Golovkin is can't handle a slight size disadvantage against DeGale or Jack (good fighters but not world elite) then you basically admit that you doN't even think he is that great.

Your contradicting yourself left and right. If no fighter is suited exclusively to one weight class then why are you saying that it's the norm for most fighters to remain at one weight class?
Also moving up in weight doesn't make you a P4P great. If the Broner model showed us anything, it's that moving up doesn't mean squat unless you perform as well as you did at your original weight. I expect Golovkin will move up eventually to 168 but I think he's just as pissed as everyone else that the real competition and true middleweights are hiding at 154 or behind Al Haymon.

[robertzimmerman]

If your insinuating that Floyd is more of a average sized light middleweight because of his reach then I disagree.
Look at Morales, he has a 72in reach and would be considered a small 140lber

It is a bit interesting though that Floyd needs an IV to make 147 like he did in the Pac fight haha..

I'm not insinuating anything. I'm just making a point. In my opinion, if you're looking at a guys size, you have to look at everything, not just weight.

[creekrat77]

I'm not insinuating anything. I'm just making a point. In my opinion, if you're looking at a guys size, you have to look at everything, not just weight.

Yea and I see what you mean. It really is just changes with peoples opinion on the matter of weight. I generally go by the overall size and build. For instance conventional wisdom says Mike Tyson is a small heavyweight and is at a great disadvantage to most guys at 6'4 and 80in reach. But obviously Mike is a big, durable, and stocky 5'10. He's bigger and stronger than Evander Holyfield even though Evander is 6'3 with a 78'in reach weighing about the same.