Should boxers who test positive for illegal drugs be allowed into IBHOF?

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1. I don't have medical records for Pacquiao. Neither did the NSAC. Wonder why they wouldn't show the MRI, because what we do know is that he claimed to be of normal strength going into the fight (statement from his team and from his doctor), he showed no sign of the injury in the fight, he didn't rehab like a person who had this injury after the fight. If you've not been able to follow along with the reasons that you lost that poll, well then, maybe you should pull your head out of Pacquiao's ass. Besides all of that, if he went into the fight at normal strength, then nothing really matters. No excuses. He lost. Plain and simple.

2. Floyd Mayweather passed 19 drug tests, I believe it was. His samples were tested by independent laboratories. His TUE was approved by an independent TUEC. The application and reasons for the TUE, which was required to be thorough enough for the TUE to be accepted without even examining him directly, was sent to WADA.

So let's recap. Pacquaio has the word of one doctor (I won't send you the 15 or so quotes you posted about doctors lying) stating he had a full-thickness rotator cuff tear, and Mayweather has a bevy of doctors at the laboratories who tested his anonymous samples, at least 3 independent doctors on the TUEC, and the application with reasoning for the TUE being granted sent to the World Anti-Doping agency.

Let me remind you that pacquaio paid his doctor. That seems important to you. Ready to give up now?

1. NSAC was going on an incorrect check box from Manny and wanted an investigation. Once the NSAC found out that Floyd didn't inform them at all about his medical condition, the NSAC stopped with Manny's investigation.

If they really wanted, the NSAC could have requested one prior to issuing a license to Manny to fighting his next fight against Bradley.

So if the NSAC continued to investigate BOTH, the NSAC would have had the MRIs from Manny but as you know, they have nothing from Floyd either. Nothing except USADA saying, Floyd required a RETRO TUE. Why? Go ask Floyd and his pal, USADA.



ANyways, the above was a deflection. This was about you hating "speculations" yet YOU were SPECULATING that Manny did not have a FULL THICKNESS ROTATOR CUFF TEAR.



2. WRONG
Manny's doctor, we know of. He is a reputable doctor that has operated on many people. He was interviewed many times for Manny and other athletes such as Kobe and others.
There was a confirmed operation. Manny's team did NOT detail the kind of injury it was, just Manny's doctor. So to say, it was never about what you thought it was. Nobody was spreading that it was a FULL THICKNESS TEAR and not even the doctor mentioned it much (just a few interviews). Yet, that is what was your problem. Crazy speculation on your part and crazy since you hate speculating. WHo thunk it?

Then Manny had an MRI done many months later. So another doctor or doctors confirmed the injury!



Floyd: you know Floyd's doctor? Did he do interviews? Oh, maybe he did. I mean, Floyd did thank Dr Alez Ariza!
Giving urine, blood 10 days before and exercising was Floyd's excuses. We both know that all 3 are BS excuses since you even said it in the previous post. So now its time you apply some of your own medicine onto Floyd and you have your answer. That liar is a cheat! No other explanation.


Lance Armstrong said he had passed all of his tests too. Lance had RETRO TUEs due to medical conditions ..... Had LABs with results that supposedly passed. You believe Lance too? They actually had investigated Lance. All was on the up and up, right?


TUEC is established by the related NADO (ie. USADA). Nuff said! Floyd's RETRO was requested and soon after approved. USADA does not and did not reveal everything and can hide all the questionable details. So as they have, they are using that, just like you are, as an excuse. Yet, USADA has on their website statements that reflect that if his name was not Floyd, he would not have received a RETRO TUE.

hahahaha. This was good for a laugh, I admit. How is it relevant? You said he didn't urinate all day? Do you know when he gave the partial sample, or does that not count as urinating? If you don't know when it was given, how can you claim he didn't urinate all day?

Where are you getting this information about him betting on a basketball game on May 1st? I'm just saying? Why not post up what you found to make your accusations stronger. Did he go to a casino, or did he make a phone call? That would also be appreciated if you can add that in.

Deflecting again. My point is that he couldn't urinate 90ml when he had all day to do it. There was no rush that he had to give it then an there. A healthy person can on average urinate between 800-2000ml per day. You are saying that Floyd couldn't give 90ml even though we saw him drinking fluids and said he made weight easily? That is why that expert said that Floyd should have been able to give his urine about 45 minutes after drinking. Its only 90ml.

You are right in that Floyd could have sneaked and urinated as there were many occasions where there didn't appear to be a DCO next to him as USADA made it sound to be. Looking at some of those videos, anything could have happened due to the confusion due to it being such a huge event.

Floyd said in separate interviews that he had to go bet on the game and later said he did bet on the game. This is a guy that is supposedly in bad medical shape but we see him enthusiastically bringing this up. During the Maidana fight, I remember that he went to one of the casinos to bet on the game.

I don't have to defend him. The information is out there. Training makes athletes dehydrated. This is not rocket science. You don't have any information on if he was running up until the fight, do you? You don't know what he was doing. Only speculation. Giving blood and losing urine also contribute, as I've pointed out to you, but it's clear that this is not the main cause. You are just taking one small tidbit of the whole equation and hugging onto it. That's beyond idiotic. No one took his statements about giving blood and urinating contributing to his dehydration and claimed this meant he was not dehydrated. Again, your expert that you pulled out of your ass said he may have been dehydrated, so why don't you just concede.

Do not twist this. Sorry but Floyd is the one who brought up that giving urine, blood and exercise contributed to his dehydration not me. So the next thing we need to do is figure out if it makes sense or it was just a lie. You agreed with me that it does not make sense so then its a LIE!!! Why lie? To cover up the truth which is he was not dehydrated and intentionally delayed and received an IV.

No, giving a urine sample does NOT dehydrate you. So stop that. Giving blood 10 days before does not either.
That is enough but its the same for exercise. Floyd was at a weigh-in not exercising to the point of requiring an IV! ITs ALL A LIE!!!

Dude, no one cares about your workouts. Just STFU about that. Was De La Hoya doing heavy duty exercise? If you weren't there with Floyd, then you are speculating. No one is even arguing that he had to have been doing heavy duty exercise. What he had to do was maintain weight until the weigh-in.

Oscar/Floyd is apples and oranges and you know it. Floyd has been making weight EASILY at 147 for a decade. Oscar hadn't made the weight he did for over a decade.

Reason I bring up my training is to point out I know what's up. It seems like you do not or you need to protect Floyd at all costs. Oh so you now you are agreeing that he was not doing heavy duty exercises. Cool. If it was not then at most he just need to drink up a bit and he would be FULLY REHYDRATED and that is what he did after the weigh in.

So now we can agree that he lied about all 3 (blood, urine, exercise).

Did he have any condition that made IV rehydration more effective than drinking water? Did De La Hoya drink water? Would it have been enough? Independent labs who tested him found nothing. The TUEC approved. WADA did not interfere. I think you are outgunned.

According to him it was due to those 3 lies(blood, urine, exercise) in which you keep on forgetting! Since its BS, needing an IV is BS.

Oscar was not being tested by USADA. Again, apples and oranges.

but but but....what happened to checking the 30 day weights????? De La Hoya was 143 a full month before the fight.



Same with Oscar



What? How can it be? How can it be, Oscar??? lol



What? Oscar? How can it beeeee?



More than enough evidence? But Oscar.... howwww???



Stable weight, you say? 143 a month out. 145 at weigh-in. 147 on fight night. What gives, Oscar?



We have Oscar's stats. As stable as an athlete can get. lol

Are you ready to give up on your stable weight and rehydration criteria? Let me remind you that Oscar was 150 for the previous fight. So what's up, man? 143 a month before the fight. Stable. If you disagree, then you are contradicting yourself a wholeeee lot, aren't ya?

Nope. I always point out that Floyd admits to making weight EASILY. Oscar tried unsuccessfully losing weight for the first time in a decade. It happens.

Its not just Oscar. Roy Jones Jr, Dawson .... its NOT the same as Floyd's rock solid stable weight for a decade.

Why are you hugging onto this one statement so much? This is sad. You've never explained why this couldn't have been chronic dehydration. You simply said, "He didn't have that." What he is explaining to you, if you weren't such a biased ass, is that training leading up to the fight, along with giving urine and blood, contributed to his dehydrated state. And once again, you have no idea what he does right before the fight, so stop speculating.

Wait, I'm bringing up what Floyd said, you on the other hand keep on bringing up Chronic Dehydration, something that you do not understand and something that Floyd never mentioned and you are telling me to stop speculating? Man, at least before you would try not to DO and SAY in the same paragraph! Now you did that too!

The point is Hauser was wrong. His calculations were wrong. He claimed 750ml can decrease hematocrit from 55% to 47%. That is blatantly wrong. It would take about 3 liters to do that. He has no idea what he is talking about. And again, Floyd wasn't even required to take a blood test on this day, so discussing him trying to manipulate his blood is pure ******ity. He took the blood test the next day, and 750ml would not effect the blood test over 24 hours later. I think you know that.

We discussed this already. Hauser is getting it from one source, the other article from another source. I pointed to a study where BOTH can be in the ballpark. The numbers actually do not matter. Its just a deflection.

I also pointed out that once he did use an IV, then he can use again for the next day, IF NEEDED. but I'm sure that May 2nd was covered already. Its May 1st test where they needed to delay and use the IV.

What's the point of writing this? The lab may have failed it??? The lab DIDN'T fail it. It was an independent lab and the lab had no way of identifying whose sample it was as according to WADA protocol. If the sample fails, WADA is notified. There was simply no reason to fail the sample. More speculation from you.

Now you're saying Clenbuterol SHOULD HAVE been found???? lol. What are you smoking???? Please stop embarrassing yourself!!! Once again, the TUE would not allow him to test positive for a banned substance. If there was a failure, the lab would have to IMMEDIATELY send that result to WADA. You are being ridiculous, man. Seriously.

"If the presence, Use, Possession or Administration of the Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method is inconsistent with the terms of the TUE granted, the fact that the Athlete has a TUE will not prevent an ADRV finding."





You have gone full ******.

All you had to do is say that you do not understand.

The 3 weeks RETRO TUE: Its more than likely that Floyd already had the results back from USADA. Perhaps the LAB found higher than normal traces of what can be found in IV bags and then came back with this request and RETRO TUE.

You are not getting it. Clenbuterol is a substance that is found in IV bags. It helps soften it up. So that is why I bring that substance up. Labs should have found that in the results. Then USADA whips out that RETRO TUE and voila, no more positive test.

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Man, just stop. This is ridiculous. He paid them for drug testing, as have other boxers and promoters have done in the past. Second, it's pure SPECULATION that USADA felt they needed to "return the favor." What the hell are you basing that on. I used to respect you, though I've always known you are nothing more than a butt hurt Pac fan, but everything you post now shows how desperate you are.





It's not similar AT ALL. Floyd had USADA's DCO with him before having the procedure done, plus he gave a partial urine sample before the procedure. Even Hauser already gave up on this bull**** about him being caught with the IV. Once again, it makes no sense for USADA to help him manipulate his blood levels when he wasn't taking a blood test! USADA was there before the IV and was well aware that HE WASN'T TAKING A BLOOD TEST. Your speculation makes no sense! The urine sample was still required to pass the specific gravity test, so it could not have been diluted, the independent TUEC approved of the retroactive TUE, and the independent lab found no positive results. The application and reason for approving the TUE were sent to WADA who obviously found nothing wrong. There was no anti-doping rule violation or any adverse analytical finding. And as you are well aware of by now, RETROACTIVE TUEs ARE A STANDARD PART OF WADA'S ISTUE. That shuts you down, so just give up.


Lance Armstrong blatantly lied and blatantly broke UCI's rules. I've already showed you this:



Not only was he supposed to reveal the use of his corticosteroids, but it wasn't allowed for him to present the prescription after the test at all because of his failure to reveal the use and submit the prescription BEFORE the test.

You are beyond annoying at this point. Floyd really ruined your life.

If you would like to head over to WADA's ISTUE document and point out what rule Floyd broke with regards to getting a retroactive TUE, that would be the way to go. Until you provide that, you might want to think about giving up.

Its not speculation when:
- Manny incorrectly checked the box in the prefight form. How does USADA respond?
A) Did they defend Manny? OR
B) at least be impartial? OR
C) throw Manny under the bus?
ANSWER: USADA threw Manny under the bus!

Remember that the above was said while USADA knew that Floyd did NOT notify NSAC either about his medical condition. WOW, just WOW!!!


- So did USADA react the same way with Floyd in that he did not notify NSAC? Nope, in fact they went out of their way to defend Floyd!

- Rehydrating after a weigh-in by way of an IV: USADA went around notifying other organizations that this was no longer OK to do. It was actually banned to do no matter if you needed to rehydrate 1-2lbs like Floyd or like many other athletes 5-10-15-20+lbs. Floyd though was allowed to and then later on got a doctor's note. What a joke.

- USADA's own website states what to do if you need to rehydrate: Drink a couple of cups of fluid per pound lost. Furthermore, WADA states that there are alternatives to IVs and must be used instead of IVs. We saw that Floyd was able to drink. Its not speculation. USADA closed their eyes on that.

- Even USADA's website now states that WADA has clarified that an IV is not OK:
"WADA has clarified that the use of IV infusions to treat mild dehydration or simply accelerate recovery IS NOT an acceptable medical use of IVs in sport."

So USADA is going around talking and stating one rule for others and a special rule for Floyd!


Similarly NSAC went by it the same way. "Manny is going to be investigated" ..... Floyd? He can do no wrong. He doesn't need to notify the NSAC of his medical conditions. What a joke!

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Remember that you are using quotes made by USADA.
Partial urine, DCO was with Floyd, Floyd's approved RETRO TUE, .... its all coming from USADA!!!

Go check out some videos of that day. Point out to me who the DCO was and how close was he to Floyd and do you see him with Floyd at all times. Must be easy to point him out to me if this DCO guy was next to Floyd at all times.
On top of that, go check out some of Floyd's body guards. Just one of them gets in your way and you see NOTHING that is going on.


Partial urine sample means INCOMPLETE. Its NOT adequate to be tested and can be close to nothing. If it was close to the amount required, they could have just waited a bit more and got the full sample without requiring an IV first. Then some of that "nothing" gets put in sample B in which we know will never be looked at.

As stated, Floyd delayed.
Secondly, with urine you can find PEDs. Yes, the DCO was there "watching" it all being done. Like as if he can tell the difference of what was being introduced into Floyd's system or it was all on the up and up. Yes, the DCO allowed hours and hours to go by ..... and NO, the DCO is not an expert doctor.


Still, you are trying to prove that Floyd could not have possibly successfully tried to hide his PEDs use. You do realize that even USADA does not believe you
"USADA admitted as much in the report outlining its evidence, saying that “the contention that an absence of positive drug tests is proof that a cyclist is clean does not bear serious scrutiny.”"


Urine dilution:
As I stated already, the IV can dilute yet pass the specific gravity test. As I pointed out in one case, they had found no PEDs in Diaz's urine on a test which would have passed the DCO sg test. Secondly, sg tests are not consistent nor all the same, as I also pointed out already. LAB can confirm all that but by then, its too late.

WADA CODE:
USADA tried to meet the bare minimum requirements of the code while making Floyd happy. All WADA would see is the doctor's note and USADA's approval .... Just like lets say, Lance Armstrong attaches his doctor's note. A positive result then turns into a negative result and that is all that comes out as far as what the public will see. The end result not how it got to that point.

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Lance: Its because the truth came out. You may not know this but Lance and his fans used to say the same back then. Its all a conspiracy. I passed all tests. I was investigated and they found nothing.

In the post that you responded it clearly states that UCI was lenient on those who had a prescription whether its given before or after the fact if its based on a valid medical condition. You know that just like Lance, Floyd gave a medical note on his medical condition AFTER getting the banned method. Lance and FLoyd both used their RETRO doctor's note to get a RETRO TUE.



Also, what's funny is that now you get it that Lance should have written down on the form everything that he took but that is what I kept on telling you about Floyd and you responded differently. You said that NSAC is lenient so its OK that Floyd does not let them know before the fight. Well, UCI was lenient too. See, more similarities.

You pretty much said what the UCI did. Floyd and Lance both did not include or notify their respective organizations about their medical conditions. WHOAAAAA!

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Its not speculation when:

Riight. All you do is speculate. That's all I see from you. Let's look at FACTS!

1. Mayweather passed 19 drug tests. Don't go speculating about the drug tests that Lance claims to have passed (when he passed nowhere near as many as he claims and failed some when the relevant tests were developed).

2. The lab that tested the samples was an independent lab that had no information about who the samples were from. None of the samples came back positive for anything, and if they would have, the results would have been sent to WADA.

3. A retroactive TUE is a standard part of WADA's ISTUE. Nothing you say about it can change this fact.

4. The TUE was approved of by an independent TUEC. Yes, independent. Go look it up. I'll even help you:

Under the applicable rules, an athlete who provides documentation in advance of competition, confirming the diagnosis of a valid medical need for a prescription medication, may receive an exemption allowing the use of the substance. Each the****utic use exemption request is reviewed by a The****utic Use Committee (TUEC), a panel of independent physicians responsible for granting or declining such applications.


5. According to WADA's rules, the application for the TUE in its entirety, along with the reasons that it was accepted, must be sent to WADA. Don't speculate about what they saw and how they perceived it. This is the fact.

6. Mayweather did not take a blood test on May 1st. Therefore, it makes no sense that he would try to manipulate his blood values with an IV. Also, an IV would not allow him to mask the blood test taken on May 2nd, over 24 hours later.

7. The urine test taken on May 1st was required to pass the specific gravity test to make sure that it was not diluted. Stop speculating. It was required to pass, and it was sent to an independent lab with no identifier as to whose sample it was.

I can probably go on, but you should get the point now. From this information, it seems pretty clear that you would have to argue that Mayweather paid off USADA, the TUEC, the independent lab, WADA, etc. Now if that doesn't seem crazy enough, you also have argued that he has NSAC, the referee, and the judges in his pocket.

Now, lets look at your facts:

1. NSAC found nothing wrong with him.

Ok. But they found nothing wrong with De La Hoya, Dawson, or any other boxer. They have NEVER found an athlete to be dehydrated before a fight. THIS IS A FACT. Right or wrong?

2. You can rehydrated fully by drinking.

Sure. But there are conditions that make IV rehydration more effective, and that's straight from WADA. I've shown you this already.

It is the responsibility of the supervising physician to evaluate the medical legitimacy of the clinical indication for any TUE application involving the use of IV infusion. Oral rehydration is usually highly effective, yet there may be cases such as documented hyponatremia where hypertonic saline by IV is more effective than oral treatments. (17)


3. He makes weight easily, didn't rehydrate much, and we know his 30-day out weights.

I've already showed you were De La's weight was stable 30 days out. They also claimed he didn't have difficulty making it down in weight. After 1 month, he rehydrated 2lbs. This already destroyed all of your weight non-sense.

Sorry, but I don't see why we need to continue any longer. You're already left with nothing.

Oh yea, you claim Mayweather should have had high levels of clenbuterol.

LOL!

Give up, bro. It's over.

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You are not getting it. Clenbuterol is a substance that is found in IV bags. It helps soften it up. So that is why I bring that substance up. Labs should have found that in the results. Then USADA whips out that RETRO TUE and voila, no more positive test.

You're an idiot that has no idea what he is talking about. You keep posting the same shlt over and over, and I'm tired of shutting you down. It's not worth my time, So let's do it this way.

Show me where Clenbuterol is used to soften IV bags. If you can't, just admit that you are an idiot that has no idea what he is talking about, and buzz off. Got it?

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You're an idiot that has no idea what he is talking about. You keep posting the same shlt over and over, and I'm tired of shutting you down. It's not worth my time, So let's do it this way.

Show me where Clenbuterol is used to soften IV bags. If you can't, just admit that you are an idiot that has no idea what he is talking about, and buzz off. Got it?

Actually the substance is called DEHP. I made the mistake because I remember the athlete that got caught with it but he was actually caught with 2 substances. Clenbuterol and DEHP.

"DEHP a substance often used to soften IV bags"

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Actually the substance is called DEHP. I made the mistake because I remember the athlete that got caught with it but he was actually caught with 2 substances. Clenbuterol and DEHP.

"DEHP a substance often used to soften IV bags"

Which is irrelevant isn't it. So... Like I said. You have no idea what the **** you are talking about. Thank you for proving my point!!!

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Riight. All you do is speculate. That's all I see from you. Let's look at FACTS!

1. Mayweather passed 19 drug tests. Don't go speculating about the drug tests that Lance claims to have passed (when he passed nowhere near as many as he claims and failed some when the relevant tests were developed).

2. The lab that tested the samples was an independent lab that had no information about who the samples were from. None of the samples came back positive for anything, and if they would have, the results would have been sent to WADA.

3. A retroactive TUE is a standard part of WADA's ISTUE. Nothing you say about it can change this fact.

4. The TUE was approved of by an independent TUEC. Yes, independent. Go look it up. I'll even help you:

Under the applicable rules, an athlete who provides documentation in advance of competition, confirming the diagnosis of a valid medical need for a prescription medication, may receive an exemption allowing the use of the substance. Each the****utic use exemption request is reviewed by a The****utic Use Committee (TUEC), a panel of independent physicians responsible for granting or declining such applications.


5. According to WADA's rules, the application for the TUE in its entirety, along with the reasons that it was accepted, must be sent to WADA. Don't speculate about what they saw and how they perceived it. This is the fact.

6. Mayweather did not take a blood test on May 1st. Therefore, it makes no sense that he would try to manipulate his blood values with an IV. Also, an IV would not allow him to mask the blood test taken on May 2nd, over 24 hours later.

7. The urine test taken on May 1st was required to pass the specific gravity test to make sure that it was not diluted. Stop speculating. It was required to pass, and it was sent to an independent lab with no identifier as to whose sample it was.

I can probably go on, but you should get the point now. From this information, it seems pretty clear that you would have to argue that Mayweather paid off USADA, the TUEC, the independent lab, WADA, etc. Now if that doesn't seem crazy enough, you also have argued that he has NSAC, the referee, and the judges in his pocket.

Now, lets look at your facts:

1. NSAC found nothing wrong with him.

Ok. But they found nothing wrong with De La Hoya, Dawson, or any other boxer. They have NEVER found an athlete to be dehydrated before a fight. THIS IS A FACT. Right or wrong?

2. You can rehydrated fully by drinking.

Sure. But there are conditions that make IV rehydration more effective, and that's straight from WADA. I've shown you this already.

It is the responsibility of the supervising physician to evaluate the medical legitimacy of the clinical indication for any TUE application involving the use of IV infusion. Oral rehydration is usually highly effective, yet there may be cases such as documented hyponatremia where hypertonic saline by IV is more effective than oral treatments. (17)


3. He makes weight easily, didn't rehydrate much, and we know his 30-day out weights.

I've already showed you were De La's weight was stable 30 days out. They also claimed he didn't have difficulty making it down in weight. After 1 month, he rehydrated 2lbs. This already destroyed all of your weight non-sense.

Sorry, but I don't see why we need to continue any longer. You're already left with nothing.

Oh yea, you claim Mayweather should have had high levels of clenbuterol.

LOL!

Give up, bro. It's over.

1. FACT: Many athletes who cheat pass many PEDs tests. That is why they cheat!!! They think that they can beat the system.
Even USADA does not believe you:

USADA admitted as much in the report outlining its evidence, saying that “the contention that an absence of positive drug tests is proof that a cyclist is clean does not bear serious scrutiny.”



Floyd made extra sure by using USADA to give him what he wanted. A RETRO TUE

Floyd had red flags along the way too. His T/E ratio, rumored 3 failed PEDs tests, extra short testing periods, vampire facial (before a fight???? Blood transfusions, uses equipment that can be used to monitor HT, HB,...) and now the IV scandal. Also, USADA protecting Floyd but throwing Manny under the bus.


2. My point was that if they found traces of a substance that is commonly found in IV bags then it should have returned as a positive test .... but that is where the RETRO TUE comes in.

3. What occurred with Floyd is NOT standard. NADO's have been found to minimally comply for WADA for different reasons. In this case it was due to who the athlete was and what he helped USADA with since 2010. Floyd got them recognized in boxing and paid them more than their competitors would have charged.

4. Nice try. You missed out a few key points.

a) They use the word "Ideally independent" but they know that its not always the case.
b) NADO, meaning USADA, establishes the TUEC

5. So what. You know how many other bogus TUEs are sent over to WADA and nothing is done? You think WADA has this special wand where they can determine everything by reading a well prepared BS RETRO TUE?

Plus, WADA review is optional not mandatory. WADA usually is busy looking at cases where they are requested to review.


6. IV can be used to manipulate both urine and blood tests.
Having used an IV could essentially allow him to use it again the next day.

There is also the possibility that Floyd used an IV for "other reasons" before May 1st and was concerned that they would detect ... but again, they used it on May 1st so they can no longer detect .....

7. I already pointed out that an IV can dilute yet pass a specific gravity test while avoid breaching threshold limits of a given PED.

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1. How can NSAC find nothing wrong when they said that one must notify NSAC of his medical condition? You went on and on about UCI rules being broken but how about NSAC rules? Here you are OK that NSAC was lenient on Floyd, yet UCI being lenient with cyclists bad. Got it!

"All previous and on going medical conditions must be disclosed to the Nevada State Athletics Commissions.... neither fighter discloses an injury (medical condition)" Showtime - INSIDE MAYWEATHER VS. PACQUIAO | Epilogue


2. As I keep on telling you, Floyd told you what he had and why he had it. Why are you resisting to comprehend this? Oh I know why ... because you too admitted that it is BS!!!

WADA has said that orally rehydrating is the way to go. I kept asking you to elaborate on this (hyponatremia possibility) and you have not effectively done so. Yes, if Floyd had extreme case of hyponatremia, an IV would be appropriate but we both know he did not. Well, I know and I will make sure that you will too:

"hypertonic saline for hyponatremia should be reserved for a previously well individual who is symptomatic with seizures, coma, or new focal neurologic findings and whose serum sodium level is less than 120 mEq/L. Recommend that this very select group of patients receive 1.5 mL/kg of 3% hypertonic saline ..........

Although a rise of 3-6 mEq/L will stabilize the patient and may occur fairly rapidly, the total rise during the first 24 hours of treatment should not exceed 10-12 mEq/L.[1,5] The level of monitoring required by these patients means admission to an intensive care unit with serum sodium measurements every 2 hours; intravenous D5W infusion may be needed if the serum sodium level rises too rapidly. "


So that is why I said Floyd didn't have this medical condition. As I pointed out before, Floyd would also have to be sent to the hospital and monitored ..... There is video of Floyd in his home but after reading the above, its not even neccessary to mention .


3. Again, apples and oranges.

Oscar's issue was NOT dehydration so stop it!!! His issue was beyond dehydration. Oscar dropped weight too fast and lost muscle mass and was weakened by that. Not saying that he was not also dehydrated before the weigh in but remember that Oscar supposedly did have an IV (Roach's conclusion). Still, the IV did little for Oscar. Again, apples and oranges.



Floyd on the other hand did not have to go to a place he had not gone for a decade, as Oscar had to do. Floyd said he made weight EASILY for a decade. I mention this every time I bring up the weight discussion. You intentionally or unintentionally did not!


Why do you not go to USADA's website. Are they nonsensical too when they say similar to what I said? I actually C/P straight from them on a few occasions. Sometimes I C/P from studies. You know better than studies? I think not!


Its time to go get a white flag and wave it Trav!



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Which is irrelevant isn't it. So... Like I said. You have no idea what the **** you are talking about. Thank you for proving my point!!!

Not irrelevant, so you have no idea what you are talking about.

LABS most often have the results before the time it took Floyd to make his RETRO TUE request. So its possible that Floyd had to make the request in order to overturn the positive results. So to say, if the LAB found the plasticizer in Floyd's urine sample then the test could have come back positive.

[travestyny]

So its possible that..... if the LAB.... the test could have come back positive.

hahahahahahahaha. Thanks for more speculation. Just shut the **** up. You've already proven you don't know what the **** you are talking about.

[Russian Crushin]

Sure, the issue isnt as black and white as people make it out to be