Some one pls explain to me...What is so special about Ward?

[sunny31]

no i dont like ward, find him boring and unwatchable, didnt like his comments earlier today either, starting to see his true colours now. GGG's done a whole lot more in last 5 years than ward has thats for sure, hence why he won fighter of the year couple years back. I admit GGG hasnt had the opportunity for a signature win, but i resent hearing you lot making out andre wards CV is amazing when it plainly isnt.

And Joe Calzaghe, who strangely slipped my mind, another modern great in these weight classes.

[Kigali]

And Joe Calzaghe, who strangely slipped my mind, another modern great in these weight classes.

Great fighters do great things.

Calzhage never did anything close to great.

[New England]

maybe you need to watch more boxing. an easy answer is to say that he's foght the best, both amateur and pro, ad he hasn't lost since he was a 13 year old kid.

ward's a master of distance, timing, angles, all of the things that make boxing a nightmare if you aren't proficient enough to deal with them. his jab is right where it needs to be, and on time. he's got a plan for the way in and for the way out. in spite of the lack of power, i really think he's got a case for the best lead hand in boxing. he's got all of the tricks.

he can fight inside about as well as any fighter in boxing, and on the outside he can make teh same argument. do you have any idea how rare it is to find a fighter who can transition from textbook boxer to rough customer on the inside? it's a very short list. marvin hagler, roberto duran, these are some of the most well rounded fighters ever!


the only flaw in ward's game is his offense and his punching power. a 175 lber should be able to impose himself and do damage, maybe even knock you out! the best 175 lbers, for the most part, have all had power. charles, walcott, muhammad, foster, tunney, spinks, these guys could all punch. and ward doesn't seem to be even an average puncher at the weight. otherwise the kid has every tool. he can be aggressive if the need arises, box or coast, take a big shot, he's got a 12 round gas tank, we know he's tough because of the times he's fought with broken bones in his left hand [he is left handed and has about as poor a right hand from the orthodox stance as you'll see in the sport.]



so, yeah, you probably just need to watch more boxing, and see how few other fighters bring that much [basically everything but knockout power] to the table.

[Kigali]

maybe you need to watch more boxing. an easy answer is to say that he's foght the best, both amateur and pro, ad he hasn't lost since he was a 13 year old kid.

ward's a master of distance, timing, angles, all of the things that make boxing a nightmare if you aren't proficient enough to deal with them. his jab is right where it needs to be, and on time. he's got a plan for the way in and for the way out.

he can fight inside about as well as any fighter in boxing, and on the outside he can make teh same argument. do you have any idea how rare it is to find a fighter who can transition from textbook boxer to rough customer on the inside?


the only flaw in ward's game is his offense and his punching power. a 175 lber should be able to impose himself and do damage, maybe even knock out out! the best 175 lbers, for the most part, have all had power. and ward doesn't seem to be even an average puncher at the weight. otherwise the kid has every tool. he can be aggressive if the need arises, box or coast, take a big shot, he's got a 12 round gas tank, we know he's tough because of the times he's fought with broken bones in his left hand [he is left handed and has about as poor a right hand from the orthodox stance as you'll see in the sport.]



so, yeah, you need to watch more boxing.

No fighter at any weight,SHOULD have to be able to impose himself.

That ability is more of a luxury than a requirement.

All fighters are not going to be big punchers..Lt heavyweight or not.

[firstborn]

and what do you call the pic you got with froid sitting with 2 white girls? to me that is race baiting

You should change your user name to **********. It would be more appropriate and also warn new members of what your true agenda is.

[Madison Boxing]

I have unfortunately come across one too many of your posts over the last couple of days, and you are one of the bigger troll idiots I have seen on here for a while, so I find the need to perform an intervention.

First off you lack knowledge and the majority of the time you lack a coherent argument.

Fighter of the year? Done more than Ward over the last 5 years? Where has he done this, in your mind? The only case he has is his quantity and Ward's lack of activity, which was unfortunate, but in terms of actual quality, he still hasn't done more. I don't hold it against GGG, it's not his fault if fighters don't want to fight him, but facts are facts nonetheless.

GGG has never won fighter of the year. The only fighter of the year award, which counts is Ring ****zine's list.



2011 – United States Andre Ward
2012 – Mexico Juan Manuel Márquez
2013 – Canada Adonis Stevenson
2014 – Russia Sergey Kovalev
2015 – United Kingdom Tyson Fury

This is the last 5 years. I don't see his name, but I did highlight one for you that you might like.

The problem with fans like you is that most of us neutral's actually like GGG, I think in time he will come to prove himself and show that he belongs at the top Echelon of the p4p rankings, he will start to fill in the perception of him with concrete results and we will get the measure of how good he actually is. In terms of whether you think Ward's resume is overrated, can you name me one fighter in top 10 p4p currently that has a better overall resume than Ward? Honestly and unbiasedly? If you consider Pac and Floyd both are retired which is how most p4p lists have than there is no one on there with a better resume for my money.

He beat a prime Froch, a guy that will most likely end up in the HOF, Kessler a 4 time SMW world champion, he dominated Abraham a two weight multiple time world champion, Bika world champion, Ok Chad Dawson was drained so I don't give him too much credit for that but he still absolutely dominated him. He has an extremely solid resume, no active fighter has that kind of pedigree. Even Barrera is a pretty solid win.

Not to mention all of these wins were one sided and extremely dominant. Sometimes even if you don't like a guy, you just have to hold your hands up and say this guy is just very good, give him his respect. Carl Froch was unconventional for an elite fighter, but make no mistake, that is exactly what he was, ELITE. Froch to me was the ultimate truth machine, if you were wanting in any area, or you had any serious weaknesses in your defences, chin, body, stamina, he would eventually find it and exploit the heck out of it, you needed to be an all round fighter just to survive with him. Lucian Bute was a perfect example of that, it was obvious within a couple of minutes that Bute didn't belong anywhere near the same ring as Froch. If you look at what Bute did before and even after you start to get an idea of what level Froch was fighting at.

Ward dominated Froch, and made him look pedestrian. He didn't run, he out hustled him, outboxed him, and outclassed him. Froch was very competitive, from the point of view that within rounds he did well, made rounds competitive, and he made Ward work, but he hardly won any. I gave him 3 and I am a proud Brit. You can't underestimate just how impressive a win that is just because it happened 4 1/2 years ago. Ward is a bad man, when I saw him in the lead up to the super six, I knew he was going to be a big problem for everyone.

He is now fighting, again the most dangerous guy out there, a top p4p fighter, and one of the guys that actually has won "Fighter of the Year", if he wins this than you are starting to talk about him in the same breath as a Hopkins, Jones or Toney, basically the best guys that fought between that 160-175 range in the modern era.

he beat froch by 1 round on 2 scorecards.

Hold hands up, i got the ring ****zine one mixed up, was the fans fighter of the year which is what i had in my head. Has still done a lot more than ward has done in last 5 years.

Makes me laugh, i dont think ward is some amazing unbeatable p4p king so i must be a troll. My honest opinion is that hes a very good fighter, but no way in hell as good as you lot make him out to be

OH WOW HE BEAT ****ING KING ARTHUR ABRAHAM. How amazing, after froch won every round against him lol. kessler was an old man whos best years were long gone and was he ever that great in the first place? Cant think of many notable names hes beaten.

'even barrera was a pretty good win'- yeah now you are clutching at straws

Ermm better CV's than wards in P4P top 10, over the last 5 years which it should be
judged on for P4P lists, i would argue every single one of them is better.

[New England]

No fighter at any weight,SHOULD have to be able to impose himself.

That ability is more of a luxury than a requirement.

All fighters are not going to be big punchers..Lt heavyweight or not.

punching power goes up and punching resistance goes down as fighters get larger. not my problem if you can't understand what that involves.


offensive potency, or impotency, is absolutely a consideration.

ray leonard got outboxed and ended up behind on points against tommy hearns. he had the punching power and the chin to come from behind and knock hearns out in the 14th. what's ward going to do if he's behind on kovalev? he'd certainly benefit from punching power if that were the case. and in that sense he is limited by his offensive impotence. sometimes you're behind and you need a knockout. ray leonard had the temperament, chin, and the punching power to come forward and stop hearns. ward has the chin and the temperament. lacks the power. limited.


i expect a narrative, and a clueless one at that, trying to convince me that the sky is red. let's hear it.

[New England]

he beat froch by 1 round on 2 scorecards.

Hold hands up, i got the ring ****zine one mixed up, was the fans fighter of the year which is what i had in my head. Has still done a lot more than ward has done in last 5 years.

Makes me laugh, i dont think ward is some amazing unbeatable p4p king so i must be a troll. My honest opinion is that hes a very good fighter, but no way in hell as good as you lot make him out to be

OH WOW HE BEAT ****ING KING ARTHUR ABRAHAM. How amazing, after froch won every round against him lol. kessler was an old man whos best years were long gone and was he ever that great in the first place? Cant think of many notable names hes beaten.

'even barrera was a pretty good win'- yeah now you are clutching at straws

Ermm better CV's than wards in P4P top 10, over the last 5 years which it should be
judged on for P4P lists, i would argue every single one of them is better.

i've probably seen froch ward 25 times, and i score it 10-2. if you think that froch won 5 rounds you're batssh#t nuts, and if you're just bringing up "offciial" scorecards for the sake of distraction it's caleld a "red herring."

[Johnwoo8686]

no but you accused another guy of it while you are doing it that is what I said. all you white hating blacks are full of s h it. only you can be proud of your race

How the hell am I "doing it?" That guy brought up race not me. Shut up with your idiocy.

[sunny31]

Great fighters do great things.

Calzhage never did anything close to great.

Heard it all before pal, not interested. I followed his career closely and he would have stood the test of time and been a top fighter in his weight division in any era. He also did great things, not as many as what he would have probably liked, but I saw enough in the latter part of his career to know that he was a great fighter and he did some great things, the thing which most of you overlook, is he did them past his prime, and with two shot hands.