Comments Thread For: Povetkin Not Backing Down: We'll Do Everything To Get Wilder!

[dazzo16]

whats ur profile and those slavery pics?> weirdo

[Dr Rumack]

The WBC will have to decide whether or not he has 'failed' a test. That will determine how things proceed. If they drop him without due cause then they risk getting sued.

[Ray*]

It's gotten to the point where it's funny to see you guys so biased, with such an agenda yourself, that simple reality now looks like someone else's agenda to your eyes.

Check out reality. twitter.com/butelucian/status/727963027652358145

Ok kim, whatever makes you happy.

[juggernaut666]

Never? Are you sure lol?

Man, I'm convinced 99% of the disagreements on NSB come from amnesia-bias and faulty logic.

1. Floyd Mayweather hired the guy (Ariza) yall all said supplied Pacquiao with PEDs, and then hired Memo Heredia who has bragged on camera about being able to create undetectable PEDs, for the biggest fight of the century, and then afterwards needed a TUE for using obscene amounts of saline which is known to mask PEDs, and yall defended him like crazy. So at least be consistent and don't act like this has never happened.

2. Meldonium was not illegal last year when Povetkin admitted he took it. No one knows exactly how long it stays in your system, so his claim that he hasn't taken it since last year is possible. The only thing that potentially disproves this is that his prior three tests came back clean, but then again tests are inconsistent (see Lance Armstrong) and it's possible he had traces in his system this whole time since he took it last year, but it only showed up in the most recent test because of inconsistent testing.

3. The amount in his system is still below the WADA allowed limit, which is where all the confusion is coming from. It's like testosterone with USADA, most athletes have much higher amounts than the average person, but as long as it's below the 4:1 or 6:1 ratio or whatever it is, then you pass the test. It's the amount that matters. Of course, meldonium isn't naturally occurring like testosterone, but that's still how the tests work. If it's below the allowed limit, then isn't that, well, allowed? How is it a failed test if the test passes the guidelines? It can't pass the allowed guidelines, but still be failed. Can you explain this? It still confuses me.

4. Povetkin was supposed to be Wilder's mandatory last year, and Wilder has yet to face another top boxer, giving many fans the impression that he's another Al Haymon "businessman" rather than a fighter, and that he will avoid every top fighter out there so long as he has a way to. This is what caused many people to assume he'd duck Povetkin in the first place. Then he didn't fight him last year, requested an interim defense instead, which added to people's doubts about him. Then in his interim defense, he fought a total nobody. This added to people's doubts.

5. Now, everyone knows that a test isn't officially failed until the A sample is over the allowed limit, and then the B sample is tested to confirm. Povetkin's A sample wasn't over the limit, which still confuses me how it was a failed test at all then, but let's assume I'm missing something there and the A sample really was failed. In that case, the fight is supposed to be delayed, not canceled, until the B sample is tested to confirm. If Wilder was dying to fight Povetkin, he would want Povetkin's B sample tested, and hope that it came back negative. He would say stuff like "this looks bad but I'm hoping the B sample comes back negative and I hope the fight is still on!"

Instead, Wilder immediately called for the fight to be canceled before the B sample even got tested, and also demanded he get paid 4.6 million dollars to not do the fight. Povetkin and his team are still saying they'd like to fight Wilder, do all the drug tests again, and obviously be clean for the fight and fight Wilder. Meanwhile Wilder's team keeps acting like they never want to fight him even if the WBC says his levels were below the allowed limit, and even if he's clean.

6. So even though many people jumped to conclusions, when you get into the actual details, and you know Wilder's history and the history with many Al Haymon fighters, all of this adds more doubts in people's minds that Wilder either didn't want this fight, or is happy to not be going through with the fight.

7. Another interesting aspect is that Showtime signed Anthony Joshua to a contract just a few weeks ago, while at the same time they were having trouble signing a contract with Povetkin's team to air the Wilder-Povetkin fight. It's very possible that Showtime saw the writing on the wall, that if Povetkin won he would take their only heavyweight title over to HBO, so it's possible Showtime is the one pushing to just cancel this fight all together. I think many people are sensing that there's more going on here than just the biggest fight available to Wilder right now being canceled over microdoses of a "PED" that was legal only a few months ago, and that studies have shown has no more impact than a placebo. It seems like there's more going on.

8. Most of all, the reason Wilder has fans who don't like him is because, as a convert from football and Haymon's only promising heavyweight prospect, he was protected more than any other Haymon fighter besides Gary Russel jr. coming up, and at age 30, he's still to fight a top heavyweight. People just want to see good fights.

Even Gennady Golovkin gets criticized a lot, and he's tried to fight every top fighter in his division. He chases anyone in his division who could be considered a threat at all. He signed to fight Pirog, the guy who knocked Danny Jacobs out. He called out Sergio Martinez, Peter Quillin before he got KO'd, Danny Jacobs, Miguel Cotto, Canelo Alvarez, Felix Sturm back in his prime at middleweight. That's what people want. There will always be arguments about Andre Ward at 168 and whether GGG didn't want it, or if Andre Ward's promotional issues and request for tuneups prevented it, or if, what my theory is, the money just wasn't there for a PPV fight until after the Lemieux fight when GGG was already on the path to Canelo and Ward had moved up to LHW, but the one thing everyone respects is that GGG at least tries to fight every top guy in his division, and even make the big pay per view fights at 168 like Chavez jr. and Carl Froch a few years ago.

That's what champions and top fighters are supposed to do at minimum. There can be debates about going up in weight, but when it comes to your own weight class, you are supposed to go after the best fighters and the biggest fights.

So it's really that simple, it's common sense. If a fighter like GGG who does that still gets criticism, then obviously Deontay Wilder is going to get criticism because he never does that. He never went after either Klitschko during their primes. I haven't heard him call out Anthony Joshua for later this year once. The only guy he's shown any interest in fighting is Tyson Fury because he views him as the weakest champion, but that's kind of the point. Real fighters go after all the best guys, they don't just fight bums for years until they think they see a weak link to go collect another title. Bomb Squad against either prime Klitschko would have been a great fight, but now we'll never get to see it because Wilder never showed any interest. So yes, it's hard to support "champions" like that who try to build their careers off fighting cab drivers and picking up one vacated belt. And trying to collect a 4.6 million dollar check without fighting is a terrible look. If they can't find a new date for the fight later this year, then Wilder should get reimbursed for his training expenses in my opinion. That would be fair. But getting the full purse without fighting when you won't even make an effort to reschedule, even though your opponent is willing to do drug testing? That's not what champions do.

So there you go man. It's not as simple as you want to make it look. And remember my first point, none of yall were complaining when Floyd pulled his ish in the biggest fight of the century, and yall know Memo Heredia offers a lot better stuff than just meldonium.

His fighter Lucian Bute just got caught, and for yall saying he didn't work with Bute this fight, Bute tweeted a photo that said Memo worked with him this fight, so get your facts straight and don't act like others are the ones being inconsistent when it's you guys. I think most boxing fans are pretty consistent here. We've seen that Wilder is Haymon's most protected fighter ever, he never goes after the best fights available in his division, he delayed the Povetkin fight as long as possible, and then he canceled that fight before Povetkin's B sample even got tested even though the A sample was below the allowed limit too, even though the substance that did show up in a micro amount was legal just a few months ago and isn't even known as an effective PED.

It's a pattern with him, man.

Theres also a pattern here as well .The smarter you are and post on this subject ,the more retaliation of empty come backs is going to head your way .Its kind of like trying to explain and reason with ants !

[TripleGFightFan]

I usually give ppl the benefit of the doubt but some @ss hole on this page said Wilder only fights cab drivers and GGG fight CONTENDERS. .lol like Peter FKN Wade isn't a CAB driver on house arrest. They both have in common talk of big fights without ever having a BIG fight.

Yes it is truly baffling but when you narrow it down via process of elimination it's plain as "black and white" to see what's going on...house arrest?...how did he ever get the call?...contenders on parole and ****...

[Sroey]

All I want to say is that I was really looking forward to this fight!!

[Can'tHoldMeBack]

Why isn't he calling out Luis Ortiz? The network divide is rarely bridged, but HBO can't find any opponents for Ortiz, so this is probably one of the times it could be. Yall are asking for Lara-GGG so if that's possible, obviously Wilder-Ortiz is too. And even if it couldn't happen, that didn't stop GGG from calling out Jacobs and Quillin. It's about intent. As fans we have to ask ourselves, does this guy really want to fight the best? Is he trying to make the biggest fights? GGG isn't in big fights either in his division but at least he tries to fight all those guys. It's not his fault even the big middleweights like Danny Jacobs and Peter Quillin keep ducking him. But Wilder is the opposite. It feels like he's the one who doesn't want the best fights. It doesn't feel like he's chasing the other guys but they duck him.

The Povetkin situation is just the latest in a pattern with Wilder. For fans wanting to defend Wilder, they will use the micro dose of meldonium as the excuse and ignore everything else, but I look at the whole picture and I saw all the same red flags in how he delayed that fight as long as possible and then tried to cancel it immediately before the WBC even investigated whether the amount was over the limit and whether the B side tested positive. Like I said it's just a clear pattern of not wanting to fight the best fights unless he's mandated to.

It can be best said like this. Wilder seems to wait as long as possible to fight the best guys, and then when there's a way out, he was the quickest I've ever seen to cancel. He didn't even wait to see if there was any hope of salvaging the fight, to see any of the details of what happened. They weren't reacting to the WBC, they were trying to influence and lead the WBC into canceling it. When the WBC was saying "delayed," they were saying "no, please cancel!" Just a ton of red flags. I expected him to knock out Povetkin anyway because of the height and speed advantage, but there's no way I can root for Wilder until he starts chasing the best fighters in his division. Like why did he wait for Povetkin to become his mandatory, and then delay it even more, in the first place? GGG is so on the lookout for credible, name opponents in his division willing to fight him, if he had someone like Povetkin in his division who wanted to fight him, GGG would have called to make that fight right away whether he was mandatory or not. That's the difference between being the guy who wants the big fights, and being the guy who wants to fight cab drivers, and every once in awhile gets forced into big fights if they want to keep their belt. I prefer to root for the first type of guy.

You don't follow boxing do you? Ortiz already has a fight signed just waiting on date from HBO and he has an interm title can't unify, not to mention he in the little tournament that WBA has going in to get down to just one title eliminating regular and interm tags

[LacedUp]

We dont consider Pedvetkin a top HW anymore all his victories vs. elite HW have no merit. He should retire hes old and useless without drugs ; there no motivation beating a fraud.The only good thing that has come out of this is that the HW's that suffered losses at the hands of this cheat have been vindicated morally and I hope they sue this euro piece of trash and stay out of Russia.

The drug he was caught for was legal up until his last fight

[Boxing Logic]

The amount of Meldonium in Povtkins A sample might not have been enough for him to fail the test, but, like you said, it isn't produced in the body naturally, so any amount at all is considered su****ious and has to be investigated.

This is why the fight was called off but no decision has yet been made on whether Povetkin will be punished and lose his position as Wilder's mandatory. We'll have to wait to see what happens with that after the investigations are concluded.

I think it's fair to say that Wilder would have preferred not to have to fight Povetkin in Moscow as a result of his promoter losing the purse bid. That's very understandable, and I would have been surprised if he and his team were not trying to get the fight called off completely now.

But remember, whether he wanted to do it or not, Wilder was ready to fight in Russia, and it's no fault of his that it didn't go ahead as planned.

Nice to see a reasoned response. Tests are supposed to be cut and dry though I thought. Since it's not naturally occurring, why didn't they just have the rules that if any shows up at all, it's a failed test? I guess maybe it can be naturally occurring or you can get some into your body without taking it? Otherwise why would they have a threshold like that?

And it's not really su****ious because he admitted he took it last year. Everyone else fought him while he was on it, including Klitschko... it's a bad look that Wilder made no effort to fight Klitschko during their primes, and now is using meldonium as an excuse to cancel the Povetkin fight when the last heavyweight champion had no problem fighting Povetkin while he took meldonium.

I honestly think people's initial reactions were influenced by the way the Wilder team reacted. They faked all this outrage and everyone kind of just went along with it. It helped their cause that Povetkin is Russian (the dangerous "other" to American audiences), and they threw in "PED" and "failed test." But when you really look at it, the substance was legal last year, and it was below the allowed limit, so what's su****ious? What's the grey area? Either it's over the limit and he failed, or it's under the limit and he didn't. And even if it had been over the limit, it can take 6 months or they don't even know how long to get out of a fighter's system, so the WBC really should have had a grace period with a higher allowed amount for the first six months of this year to let the trace amounts get out of fighter's bodies to avoid situations like this.

It really just seems like they've created a firestorm over what turned out to be nothing. Trace amounts of a "PED" that is not really a PED and in any case has always been legal up until recently. What Floyd did for the Pacquiao fight flushing his system to mask god knows what was in my opinion infinitely worse because now we'll never know what kind of PEDs he masked, and all the people defending Wilder now didn't care about that because Floyd is black I guess. What if Manny had heard about Floyd doing that, and canceled the fight on fight night? Would these people be defending Manny if he did that? No way. But Wilder canceling the fight over a micro dose of meldonium before the WBC even does their investigation? That's cool for a guy who never fights anyone and was supposed to make this his signature "prove the haters wrong" fight where he proved he would actually fight someone with a pulse? Instead he found the weakest "PED" excuse in the history of PEDs to drop the fight at the very first opportunity. It just seems like a pattern.

And like you said he probably didn't want to go to Russia. So there it is, he didn't really want to go through with the fight, and he took an opportunity to get out of it. Whether he didn't want the fight because of Povetkin, or because of Russia, my point is he clearly didn't want it that badly because he didn't even wait five minutes before saying "AHA! Fight's off! Canceled not postponed! I'm a warrior it's Povetkin's fault PEACE!" It was really see through from my perspective.

[jas]

you blew your chance cheat