Comments Thread For: Povetkin Not Backing Down: We'll Do Everything To Get Wilder!

[nacho daddy]

exactly........idiot povitkin is saying "i will fight legal for my title shot" you ret@rd when u tried your hardest to cheat that went out of the window.


how in the hell can a drug cheat try and demand for a title shot? dude you tried to cheat your @sshole off = fight off.

everybody is getting on povetkin cause they know their boy was saved from a fight they were never gonna fight anyway. so they got to attack him to look good. mosley got caught and fought for title roy jones the list goes on

[PunchyPotorff]

This ignorant POS is still trying to sell this BS

Keep running your big DA mouth, idiot bwaaaay. Means absolutely zero. Just like you. A zero.

[Boxing Logic]

So now Povetkin's B sample came up dirty as well? Any word on how much meldonium was present in it?

If these are residual amounts from when Povetkin was using last year then I'd love for "Boxing Logic" to explain how he managed to pass three tests then suddenly failed on both samples of his last test.

Already did, the tests are inconsistent. They missed Floyd's doping his whole career, Lance Armstrong's, and so many others. Sometimes stuff shows up, sometimes it doesn't. It depends what other supplements the athlete takes the week of the test and so on.

It doesn't feel like the other guys are ducking him even though Povetkin ducked the mandatory twice already, first by intentionally scheduling a 'tune up' for a date that is a whole month after the mandated negotiation date, and then by asking for a five month extention. (lets not mention him testing positive just before the fight)

It doesn't seem like the other guys are ducking him even though Glazkov pulled out of negotiations with Wilder so that he can fight for a vacant title.

Yeah, it sure doesn't feel like these guys ducked him at all.

This is your problem you live in an alternate reality. Your whole view of boxing is based off made up facts. Here it is from boxingscene's Luke Furman. //krikya360.com/povetkins...want-it--97969

Andrei Ryabinsky, who promotes Olympic gold medal winner Alexander Povetkin (30-1, 22KOs), is going to do everything possible to secure his fighter the mandatory shot against WBC heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder (35-0, 34 KOs).

The World Boxing Council ordered the fight at their recent convention. They approved Wilder's request to have a third voluntary fight on January 16th at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York.

Wilder's request. To have a fricken third voluntary defense. Not Povetkin's request. And what's that article titled? "Povetkin's Promoter: Wilder's Camp Does Not Want It!"

They knew from the beginning. Wilder never chased them, they had to chase him, even though Wilder should have chased him because he was one of the best available opponents. Then Wilder delayed it, not them. Now Wilder pulled out over 0.07 micrograms of meldonium even more than 14 times that amount is allowed and legal under WADA guidelines. It's always been Wilder that didn't want it.

And you know what the funny thing is? I was just going from memory and common sense when I said it was Wilder. I didn't actually remember the details of any article from 2015. The thing is you can just tell. Plus, Wilder is an Al Haymon fighter. When a fight gets ducked, and you're not sure who is at fault, you just have to look at which fighter is the Haymon fighter, and then you know who it is.

It's always the Haymon fighters. Black American fighters used to be some of the toughest around. Haymon signed all the black American fighters up and turned them all into ducking "businessmen" now. It's a damn shame and I feel bad for you guys because Haymon put you in a no-win situation. If you're someone who only ever rooted for black fighters, you still feel like you have to defend them because those are the fighters you like, but now there's no way to defend them because they're the biggest duckers on the planet and ruining boxing. That's why so many of you guys started becoming obsessed with things like PPV buys, TV ratings, and "A-side" instead of what happens in the ring, because you have nothing to celebrate in the ring anymore with black American fighters. Haymon stole that from you by signing all the good black fighters away from decent promoters and shielding them from challenges like no boxing promoter has done in the history of boxing.

On one hand, you still want to root for these fighters because they're black. On the other hand, they are now as a group the biggest duckers in the history of boxing, and they're never in interesting fights, so there's nothing to root for in the ring anymore. All you have now is rooting for TV ratings and other people's wallets. It's sad that this is what's happened to the sport and I know it sucks to be in that position, but honestly it's time to give it up, forget about race, and just start supporting the fighters who actually make interesting fights.

[ShoulderRoll]

Already did, the tests are inconsistent. They missed Floyd's doping his whole career, Lance Armstrong's, and so many others. Sometimes stuff shows up, sometimes it doesn't. It depends what other supplements the athlete takes the week of the test and so on.

Floyd and Armstrong never did VADA testing.

And do you have any proof at all that Floyd doped in his career? If so let's see it.

For a guy that likes to flaunt his logical thinking you're not doing a good job of arguing logically so far. All I see is emotional racial rhetoric.

[Real Talk85]

Keep running your big DA mouth, idiot bwaaaay. Means absolutely zero. Just like you. A zero.

I don't think you realize how silly you sound. Your argument is based on the test being inaccurate, but the math says otherwise. If he tested positive twice the a and b sample and the smallest being 70 nanograms according to povetkins team, the likely hood of the three negatives being erroneous is next to zero.

You're not pulling clean three straight times and then dropping trace amounts. That points to him flushing his system more than anything and that is likely what they will look at in the investigation. His timeline is the most suspect aspect of this.

What's also interesting is that this drug was legal because there are athletes that medically need it, but povetkin and others like him uses it without having the medical condition it was made for. So the boost in stamina his fat ads got was purely performance enhancing instead of merely allowing him to function at his normal levels.

[TripleGFightFan]

I don't think you realize how silly you sound. Your argument is based on the test being inaccurate, but the math says otherwise. If he tested positive twice the a and b sample and the smallest being 70 nanograms according to povetkins team, the likely hood of the three negatives being erroneous is next to zero.

You're not pulling clean three straight times and then dropping trace amounts. That points to him flushing his system more than anything and that is likely what they will look at in the investigation. His timeline is the most suspect aspect of this.

What's also interesting is that this drug was legal because there are athletes that medically need it, but povetkin and others like him uses it without having the medical condition it was made for. So the boost in stamina his fat ads got was purely performance enhancing instead of merely allowing him to function at his normal levels.

Excellent post!

[Boxing Logic]

Floyd and Armstrong never did VADA testing.

And do you have any proof at all that Floyd doped in his career? If so let's see it.

For a guy that likes to flaunt his logical thinking you're not doing a good job of arguing logically so far. All I see is emotional racial rhetoric.

I know Floyd and Armstrong used USADA. Hey ShoulderRoll what are you saying man! Floyd fans defended USADA for so long... are you finally admitting Floyd used the less effective testing agency? I wonder why he would do that. But to answer your question, while USADA is more likely to miss a dirty test three times in a row before catching someone, VADA is not perfect. They're better, not perfect. So yes they could have missed it for three tests because it was such a small amount. There are probably other factors that impact how much of the stuff gets into your urine months after you've taken it. Maybe Povetkin drank a lot of orange juice the day of the fourth test and that caused some of the old meldonium to end up in his urine. You should know from following boxing that neither of the testing agencies are fool proof. You don't think even VADA can miss something 75% of the time? I think if they catch something 25% of the time, they're probably doing good. How many people test with VADA every year, and only a couple come back dirty each year? You know way more than that are doping, so that tells you right there that they can miss it many times.

What proof do I have that Floyd doped? He hired the best known PED guy in boxing, Memo Heredia. He also hired the guy Floyd fans always criticized when he was with Pacquiao, Alex Alexa. I'm actually surprised Pacquiao fans have let Floyd fans off the hook for that because that alone ruined his credibility in my eyes.

Memo's fighter just popped dirty only a year after he helped Floyd for Pacquiao, and his previous star fighter, JMM, even most people who don't like Pacquiao admit it was obvious what was going on.

Most of all though, Floyd cheated. He flushed his system for the Pacquiao fight taking tons of saline IVs. The whole reason that is illegal under WADA code is because it's known to make PEDs undetectable. So did Floyd get caught with the smoking gun in his hand? No, but he got caught outside late at night by the lake throwing something metal looking into the lake. Another huge problem is that his excuse was that he needed the saline flush to rehydrate, but this is a man who claims he walks around at 147, so why would he be drained and need to rehydrate?

Unless he lied about walking around at 147. In the end the man just demonstrates day after day that he's a liar and a fraud who has surrounded himself with known cheaters, his fighters like J'Leon Love have popped dirty, Badou Jack has made an amazing physical transformation under the same guy (Memo) who worked with Floyd...

What more could anyone ask for if they were objective? You want an actual dirty test? Floyd and Haymon own USADA and the NSAC so even if he did pop dirty, which there have been rumors of before, none of us would ever know it. Do you want a signed confession? That will never happen either. Short of those two impossibilities, as much evidence exists as you could reasonably expect given all the corruption involved that Floyd is a cheater.

Then again, it's pro sports in 2016. They're even finding ways to dope like crazy in the regulated sports like the NFL, so you can just imagine what's really going on in boxing, a poorly regulated sport. Nate Diaz said every UFC fighter is on PEDs and it's probably a similar situation in boxing. Unfortunately my guess is many of my favorite boxers are also on PEDs. So I don't single out Floyd, but the difference is none of my favorite boxers used the PED angle as a strategy to duck their toughest rival for five years. Floyd is just the ultimate hypocrite who lies about everything and tries to get credit for nothing. It's not enough to pick your opponents and be undefeated in a weight class where you have a height and reach advantage over everyone, but you want extra credit for claiming to be a super small welterweight who only weights 150 on fight night. He probably doctored the scales in his home arena to get credit for that too, and then it turns out even that is a lie, or he was lying about the real reason he used all the saline, or probably both.

Just not my type of fighter, inside or outside of the ring. And if you're going to cheat like many other fighters, maybe that's what it takes to be world level in 2016, but then don't position yourself as the face of clean boxing and drug testing when you're doing vampire facials and flushing yourself with illegal IVs before fights. Fair? In my eyes that's just being fair.

[PunchyPotorff]

I don't think you realize how silly you sound. Your argument is based on the test being inaccurate, but the math says otherwise. If he tested positive twice the a and b sample and the smallest being 70 nanograms according to povetkins team, the likely hood of the three negatives being erroneous is next to zero.

You're not pulling clean three straight times and then dropping trace amounts. That points to him flushing his system more than anything and that is likely what they will look at in the investigation. His timeline is the most suspect aspect of this.

What's also interesting is that this drug was legal because there are athletes that medically need it, but povetkin and others like him uses it without having the medical condition it was made for. So the boost in stamina his fat ads got was purely performance enhancing instead of merely allowing him to function at his normal levels.

Gee, so many experts. Just like my comments, yours are just opinions. Nothing more... unless you're an expert working in the lab of an anti-doping agency, or an employee of the company making the drug. Are you either?

[Shadoww702]

Floyd and Armstrong never did VADA testing.

And do you have any proof at all that Floyd doped in his career? If so let's see it.

For a guy that likes to flaunt his logical thinking you're not doing a good job of arguing logically so far. All I see is emotional racial rhetoric.

He's a FKN RTARD! He defends a CHEAT and then attacks another guy who has never been found to cheat?? Your right he's POS Racist ****slayer

[Shadoww702]

Yes it is truly baffling but when you narrow it down via process of elimination it's plain as "black and white" to see what's going on...house arrest?...how did he ever get the call?...contenders on parole and ****...

I ain't mad at GGG. I know he has NOTHING to do with the rankings and sht! But when a guy is a 100-1 underdog and he's a mandatory?? Something isn't right? I could of names 13 better fighters at MW and I already DID before