Comments Thread For: Povetkin Not Backing Down: We'll Do Everything To Get Wilder!

[Shadoww702]

You've never seen racism???...

I usually give ppl the benefit of the doubt but some @ss hole on this page said Wilder only fights cab drivers and GGG fight CONTENDERS. .lol like Peter FKN Wade isn't a CAB driver on house arrest. They both have in common talk of big fights without ever having a BIG fight.

[PunchyPotorff]

You spent all that time writing chapters but tha A and B samples both came back positive face it dude cheated if it was this 70 Nanograms crap like the promoter put out traces wouldn't of came back in B sample would of been a false positive

Wouldn't HAVE came back. Learn some actual proper grammar, and learn that just because you don't like the inconvenient nanograms info, doesn't make it something you can ignore. You won't ignore other elements of the story. Don't ignore that one either.

[Boxing Logic]

You spent all that time writing chapters but tha A and B samples both came back positive face it dude cheated if it was this 70 Nanograms crap like the promoter put out traces wouldn't of came back in B sample would of been a false positive

Definitely a waste of time, we can agree on that. Most of it will go over people's heads here.

The amount of nanograms is just a small question I had in my post. The biggest issue is the pattern of not chasing the best fights. Now he's going to fight Chris Arreola? Come on. His last four fights are going to be Eric Molina, Johann Duhaupas, Artur Szpillka, and Chris Arreola? I'm starting to hope David Lemieux can make it up to heavyweight because that would be the biggest name on Wilder's resumé. Don't laugh man it's true.

if it was this 70 Nanograms crap like the promoter put out traces wouldn't of came back in B sample would of been a false positive

If it's not 70 nanograms, then how many nanograms was it? Do you have the info? And since no one, not even the company that makes meldonium, knows how long it stays in an athlete's body after use, and since tests are inconsistent at picking low amounts up, how do you this wasn't still in his body from using it last year when it was legal?

You obviously don't. None of us do. Which is why the WBC is still investigating! Why do you think they're still doing an investigation if it's so simple like yall acting? This is what I mean just use common sense. If Wilder really wanted this fight, he would be hoping that's what happened so they could go through with the fight a month from now. Instead he didn't even wait two seconds, he wanted the fight canceled for good, even when the WBC was still saying it was under investigation and that the fight was just delayed.

Povetkin and his team still want the fight, and are willing to reschedule with full drug testing.

The WBC is still saying the fight is only delayed, with Wilder granted an interim fight while they investigate.

As usual, it's just Wilder trying to completely avoid and cancel the fight fans want to see.

Like I said, it's a pattern. If someone can actually post proof that Povetkin's amount of meldonium was higher than 70 nanograms and above the limit, and if the WBC finds proof that he took it after it was banned, then I will blame Povetkin fully, but that won't change the fact that Wilder is making this look all too convenient for himself and making no effort to fight anyone good.

[Drunk Punch]

He'll do everything... EXCEPT stop juicing up on banned substances?

[Boxing Logic]

Wilder and GGG have the same resume and BOTH fight Cab drivers dip sht. And BOTH always talk big fights but NONE ever happen.are you racist???

GGG has a better resumé but I agree neither has many great fights. The difference is that GGG doesn't have many big fights because all the top fighters in his division duck him even though he chases them all, but Wilder doesn't have many big fights because he ducks them and doesn't chase any of them.

The Klitschkos were heavyweight champions the last 5 years, during Wilder's prime athletic years, and everyone knows the Klitschko's always fought all of their mandatories. If Wilder had wanted to fight either of them, he could have gotten those fights easily. But he didn't want to fight them.

See the difference lol? I mean are you racist? Because you're the one who is so biased, you try to equate someone who is being ducked with someone who is ducking. It's like if you blamed Canelo for not fighting GGG, but then I said "yeah but GGG hasn't fought Canelo either has he! You racist?"

Are you really that dumb you don't know the difference, or are you just biased or on the PBC payroll to drum up support for their fighters on NSB? Of course if someone ducks you, then you can't fight him. It's boxing, both guys have to sign the contract. That does not suddenly make them equal in terms of blame. The guy that actually tries to make the fight gets the credit for it, while the guy responsible for ducking the fight gets the blame. This is what Wilder fans don't understand I guess when they try to equate Wilder with GGG. Not only did GGG beat the real lineal champion if he wasn't robbed against Martinez (Martin Murray), he beat David Lemieux. David Lemieux had stamina and weight problems as a 22 year old when he lost two fights, but fixed his fitness issues and went on a nine fight winning streak tear through the division, destroying Gabe Rosado and Hasam N'dam to capture the IBF title and earn his place as the 2nd best middleweight in the world. Then GGG dominated him as well.

But whatever you think of GGG's opposition compared to Wilder, that's irrelevant. The real difference is GGG is not at fault for his resumé because the whole division is ducking him. Wilder, on the other hand, has basically ducked his whole division (meaning the top guys. He certainly hasn't ducked box rec's 50 through 100 in the heavyweight rankings, but that's another story).

[Shadoww702]

Definitely a waste of time, we can agree on that. Most of it will go over people's heads here.

The amount of nanograms is just a small question I had in my post. The biggest issue is the pattern of not chasing the best fights. Now he's going to fight Chris Arreola? Come on. His last four fights are going to be Eric Molina, Johann Duhaupas, Artur Szpillka, and Chris Arreola? I'm starting to hope David Lemieux can make it up to heavyweight because that would be the biggest name on Wilder's resumé. Don't laugh man it's true.



If it's not 70 nanograms, then how many nanograms was it? Do you have the info? And since no one, not even the company that makes meldonium, knows how long it stays in an athlete's body after use, and since tests are inconsistent at picking low amounts up, how do you this wasn't still in his body from using it last year when it was legal?

You obviously don't. None of us do. Which is why the WBC is still investigating! Why do you think they're still doing an investigation if it's so simple like yall acting? This is what I mean just use common sense. If Wilder really wanted this fight, he would be hoping that's what happened so they could go through with the fight a month from now. Instead he didn't even wait two seconds, he wanted the fight canceled for good, even when the WBC was still saying it was under investigation and that the fight was just delayed.

Povetkin and his team still want the fight, and are willing to reschedule with full drug testing.

The WBC is still saying the fight is only delayed, with Wilder granted an interim fight while they investigate.

As usual, it's just Wilder trying to completely avoid and cancel the fight fans want to see.

Like I said, it's a pattern. If someone can actually post proof that Povetkin's amount of meldonium was higher than 70 nanograms and above the limit, and if the WBC finds proof that he took it after it was banned, then I will blame Povetkin fully, but that won't change the fact that Wilder is making this look all too convenient for himself and making no effort to fight anyone good.

Stop LYING! You would just bury your chin deeper into his nut sack and let you get 70 Nanos of jizz

[Boxing Logic]

I usually give ppl the benefit of the doubt but some @ss hole on this page said Wilder only fights cab drivers and GGG fight CONTENDERS. .lol like Peter FKN Wade isn't a CAB driver on house arrest. They both have in common talk of big fights without ever having a BIG fight.

Wade was GGG's mandatory, who he fought immediately instead of asking for another interim fight like Wilder. Now that that's out of the way, please learn to read. I said GGG tries to fight everyone in his division, but Wilder doesn't. Wilder could have fought Klitschko but never did. Wilder never goes after any of the top dogs in his division.

Stop LYING! You would just bury your chin deeper into his nut sack and let you get 70 Nanos of jizz

Then call my bluff lmao. How many Nanograms did he take? That's right you have no idea but you're still in Bomb Squad's nut sack before you even know the facts. He found a way out of the one decent fight he's scheduled the last couple years and you're such a fan of his, you just accepted the reason without even looking into the facts yourself.

Me, I don't care where a fighter is from or what he looks like, if he's not either fighting good opponents, or trying to fight good opponents, every fight or at minimum every other fight, I could never root for him. So how can you root for this guy? His career has clearly been managed like few others, and he offers fans no good fights. Why would you root for a fighter like that? Whatever the deal is with Povetkin, and I could give a **** about Povetkin who is too short for the division but hopefully we'll find out when the WBC does their investigation, I just want to see good fights, and Wilder has been in one half decent fight his entire career, and shows no urgency or interest in making another one.

Who roots for a fighter like that, really? I mean why? I mean people said Rigondeaux was boring, but I rooted for him because he chased Donaire and Mares while they were avoiding, and then chased Santa Cruz and everyone else. He was trying to give fans the fights we wanted to see. I support fighters like that, even if their style isn't the most action packed because I know great fights can be made with any style of fighter so long as they go after the best fighters. Rigondeaux-Santa Cruz would have been an amazing style clash for example. But the one kind of fighter I could never support is the fighter who doesn't try to fight the best fighters in his division. So why do you support him? It makes no sense.

[Ray*]

In the Bute failed test thread we have people trying to shift blame on to Heredia, Heredia was working with Jack and not Bute for that fight.

Anything that fits the agenda isn't it? Wasn't Steve Kim one of the people who even post that as well?

[Boxing Logic]

Anything that fits the agenda isn't it? Wasn't Steve Kim one of the people who even post that as well?

It's gotten to the point where it's funny to see you guys so biased, with such an agenda yourself, that simple reality now looks like someone else's agenda to your eyes.

Check out reality. twitter.com/butelucian/status/727963027652358145

LUCIAN BUTE (May 4, 2016): "S/O to every1 who worked & me the last 12 wks gankorGrantBroBoxing dynamiteSeries guruscience @MonsterGymMtl"

"Worked & me" is obviously twitter shorthand or Canadian for "worked with me" and guruscience is Memo Heredia's twitter account.

When will yall understand, the other side, they're the normal ones, the objective ones. Yall the ones who are so biased, yall got an agenda and yall don't even see it. Its not me its you yo. When will yall get it ?

[kafkod]

2. Meldonium was not illegal last year when Povetkin admitted he took it. No one knows exactly how long it stays in your system, so his claim that he hasn't taken it since last year is possible. The only thing that potentially disproves this is that his prior three tests came back clean, but then again tests are inconsistent (see Lance Armstrong) and it's possible he had traces in his system this whole time since he took it last year, but it only showed up in the most recent test because of inconsistent testing.

3. The amount in his system is still below the WADA allowed limit, which is where all the confusion is coming from. It's like testosterone with USADA, most athletes have much higher amounts than the average person, but as long as it's below the 4:1 or 6:1 ratio or whatever it is, then you pass the test. It's the amount that matters. Of course, meldonium isn't naturally occurring like testosterone, but that's still how the tests work. If it's below the allowed limit, then isn't that, well, allowed? How is it a failed test if the test passes the guidelines? It can't pass the allowed guidelines, but still be failed. Can you explain this? It still confuses me.

4. Povetkin was supposed to be Wilder's mandatory last year, and Wilder has yet to face another top boxer, giving many fans the impression that he's another Al Haymon "businessman" rather than a fighter, and that he will avoid every top fighter out there so long as he has a way to. This is what caused many people to assume he'd duck Povetkin in the first place. Then he didn't fight him last year, requested an interim defense instead, which added to people's doubts about him. Then in his interim defense, he fought a total nobody. This added to people's doubts.

5. Now, everyone knows that a test isn't officially failed until the A sample is over the allowed limit, and then the B sample is tested to confirm. Povetkin's A sample wasn't over the limit, which still confuses me how it was a failed test at all then, but let's assume I'm missing something there and the A sample really was failed. In that case, the fight is supposed to be delayed, not canceled, until the B sample is tested to confirm. If Wilder was dying to fight Povetkin, he would want Povetkin's B sample tested, and hope that it came back negative. He would say stuff like "this looks bad but I'm hoping the B sample comes back negative and I hope the fight is still on!"

Instead, Wilder immediately called for the fight to be canceled before the B sample even got tested, and also demanded he get paid 4.6 million dollars to not do the fight. Povetkin and his team are still saying they'd like to fight Wilder, do all the drug tests again, and obviously be clean for the fight and fight Wilder. Meanwhile Wilder's team keeps acting like they never want to fight him even if the WBC says his levels were below the allowed limit, and even if he's clean.

6. So even though many people jumped to conclusions, when you get into the actual details, and you know Wilder's history and the history with many Al Haymon fighters, all of this adds more doubts in people's minds that Wilder either didn't want this fight, or is happy to not be going through with the fight.

The amount of Meldonium in Povtkins A sample might not have been enough for him to fail the test, but, like you said, it isn't produced in the body naturally, so any amount at all is considered su****ious and has to be investigated.

This is why the fight was called off but no decision has yet been made on whether Povetkin will be punished and lose his position as Wilder's mandatory. We'll have to wait to see what happens with that after the investigations are concluded.

I think it's fair to say that Wilder would have preferred not to have to fight Povetkin in Moscow as a result of his promoter losing the purse bid. That's very understandable, and I would have been surprised if he and his team were not trying to get the fight called off completely now.

But remember, whether he wanted to do it or not, Wilder was ready to fight in Russia, and it's no fault of his that it didn't go ahead as planned.