Comments Thread For: Povetkin Not Backing Down: We'll Do Everything To Get Wilder!

[Kazakh Thunder]

Olympic gold medal winner and former WBA 'regular' heavyweight world champion Alexander Povetkin is not backing down from a showdown with WBC heavyweight king Deontay Wilder.

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Good, dont let Wilder get away, chase that duck.

[TripleGFightFan]

This guy test positive and everyone acting like its OK. I never seen anything like this before. Would Wilder get the benefit of the doubt had he tested positive after all the weirdos claimed he would drop the title to fight Charles Martin?

You've never seen racism???...

[Boxing Logic]

This guy test positive and everyone acting like its OK. I never seen anything like this before. Would Wilder get the benefit of the doubt had he tested positive after all the weirdos claimed he would drop the title to fight Charles Martin?

Never? Are you sure lol?

Man, I'm convinced 99% of the disagreements on NSB come from amnesia-bias and faulty logic.

1. Floyd Mayweather hired the guy (Ariza) yall all said supplied Pacquiao with PEDs, and then hired Memo Heredia who has bragged on camera about being able to create undetectable PEDs, for the biggest fight of the century, and then afterwards needed a TUE for using obscene amounts of saline which is known to mask PEDs, and yall defended him like crazy. So at least be consistent and don't act like this has never happened.

2. Meldonium was not illegal last year when Povetkin admitted he took it. No one knows exactly how long it stays in your system, so his claim that he hasn't taken it since last year is possible. The only thing that potentially disproves this is that his prior three tests came back clean, but then again tests are inconsistent (see Lance Armstrong) and it's possible he had traces in his system this whole time since he took it last year, but it only showed up in the most recent test because of inconsistent testing.

3. The amount in his system is still below the WADA allowed limit, which is where all the confusion is coming from. It's like testosterone with USADA, most athletes have much higher amounts than the average person, but as long as it's below the 4:1 or 6:1 ratio or whatever it is, then you pass the test. It's the amount that matters. Of course, meldonium isn't naturally occurring like testosterone, but that's still how the tests work. If it's below the allowed limit, then isn't that, well, allowed? How is it a failed test if the test passes the guidelines? It can't pass the allowed guidelines, but still be failed. Can you explain this? It still confuses me.

4. Povetkin was supposed to be Wilder's mandatory last year, and Wilder has yet to face another top boxer, giving many fans the impression that he's another Al Haymon "businessman" rather than a fighter, and that he will avoid every top fighter out there so long as he has a way to. This is what caused many people to assume he'd duck Povetkin in the first place. Then he didn't fight him last year, requested an interim defense instead, which added to people's doubts about him. Then in his interim defense, he fought a total nobody. This added to people's doubts.

5. Now, everyone knows that a test isn't officially failed until the A sample is over the allowed limit, and then the B sample is tested to confirm. Povetkin's A sample wasn't over the limit, which still confuses me how it was a failed test at all then, but let's assume I'm missing something there and the A sample really was failed. In that case, the fight is supposed to be delayed, not canceled, until the B sample is tested to confirm. If Wilder was dying to fight Povetkin, he would want Povetkin's B sample tested, and hope that it came back negative. He would say stuff like "this looks bad but I'm hoping the B sample comes back negative and I hope the fight is still on!"

Instead, Wilder immediately called for the fight to be canceled before the B sample even got tested, and also demanded he get paid 4.6 million dollars to not do the fight. Povetkin and his team are still saying they'd like to fight Wilder, do all the drug tests again, and obviously be clean for the fight and fight Wilder. Meanwhile Wilder's team keeps acting like they never want to fight him even if the WBC says his levels were below the allowed limit, and even if he's clean.

6. So even though many people jumped to conclusions, when you get into the actual details, and you know Wilder's history and the history with many Al Haymon fighters, all of this adds more doubts in people's minds that Wilder either didn't want this fight, or is happy to not be going through with the fight.

7. Another interesting aspect is that Showtime signed Anthony Joshua to a contract just a few weeks ago, while at the same time they were having trouble signing a contract with Povetkin's team to air the Wilder-Povetkin fight. It's very possible that Showtime saw the writing on the wall, that if Povetkin won he would take their only heavyweight title over to HBO, so it's possible Showtime is the one pushing to just cancel this fight all together. I think many people are sensing that there's more going on here than just the biggest fight available to Wilder right now being canceled over microdoses of a "PED" that was legal only a few months ago, and that studies have shown has no more impact than a placebo. It seems like there's more going on.

8. Most of all, the reason Wilder has fans who don't like him is because, as a convert from football and Haymon's only promising heavyweight prospect, he was protected more than any other Haymon fighter besides Gary Russel jr. coming up, and at age 30, he's still to fight a top heavyweight. People just want to see good fights.

Even Gennady Golovkin gets criticized a lot, and he's tried to fight every top fighter in his division. He chases anyone in his division who could be considered a threat at all. He signed to fight Pirog, the guy who knocked Danny Jacobs out. He called out Sergio Martinez, Peter Quillin before he got KO'd, Danny Jacobs, Miguel Cotto, Canelo Alvarez, Felix Sturm back in his prime at middleweight. That's what people want. There will always be arguments about Andre Ward at 168 and whether GGG didn't want it, or if Andre Ward's promotional issues and request for tuneups prevented it, or if, what my theory is, the money just wasn't there for a PPV fight until after the Lemieux fight when GGG was already on the path to Canelo and Ward had moved up to LHW, but the one thing everyone respects is that GGG at least tries to fight every top guy in his division, and even make the big pay per view fights at 168 like Chavez jr. and Carl Froch a few years ago.

That's what champions and top fighters are supposed to do at minimum. There can be debates about going up in weight, but when it comes to your own weight class, you are supposed to go after the best fighters and the biggest fights.

So it's really that simple, it's common sense. If a fighter like GGG who does that still gets criticism, then obviously Deontay Wilder is going to get criticism because he never does that. He never went after either Klitschko during their primes. I haven't heard him call out Anthony Joshua for later this year once. The only guy he's shown any interest in fighting is Tyson Fury because he views him as the weakest champion, but that's kind of the point. Real fighters go after all the best guys, they don't just fight bums for years until they think they see a weak link to go collect another title. Bomb Squad against either prime Klitschko would have been a great fight, but now we'll never get to see it because Wilder never showed any interest. So yes, it's hard to support "champions" like that who try to build their careers off fighting cab drivers and picking up one vacated belt. And trying to collect a 4.6 million dollar check without fighting is a terrible look. If they can't find a new date for the fight later this year, then Wilder should get reimbursed for his training expenses in my opinion. That would be fair. But getting the full purse without fighting when you won't even make an effort to reschedule, even though your opponent is willing to do drug testing? That's not what champions do.

So there you go man. It's not as simple as you want to make it look. And remember my first point, none of yall were complaining when Floyd pulled his ish in the biggest fight of the century, and yall know Memo Heredia offers a lot better stuff than just meldonium.

His fighter Lucian Bute just got caught, and for yall saying he didn't work with Bute this fight, Bute tweeted a photo that said Memo worked with him this fight, so get your facts straight and don't act like others are the ones being inconsistent when it's you guys. I think most boxing fans are pretty consistent here. We've seen that Wilder is Haymon's most protected fighter ever, he never goes after the best fights available in his division, he delayed the Povetkin fight as long as possible, and then he canceled that fight before Povetkin's B sample even got tested even though the A sample was below the allowed limit too, even though the substance that did show up in a micro amount was legal just a few months ago and isn't even known as an effective PED.

It's a pattern with him, man.

[Can'tHoldMeBack]

Never? Are you sure lol?

Man, I'm convinced 99% of the disagreements on NSB come from amnesia-bias and faulty logic.

1. Floyd Mayweather hired the guy (Ariza) yall all said supplied Pacquiao with PEDs, and then hired Memo Heredia who has bragged on camera about being able to create undetectable PEDs, for the biggest fight of the century, and then afterwards needed a TUE for using obscene amounts of saline which is known to mask PEDs, and yall defended him like crazy. So at least be consistent and don't act like this has never happened.

2. Meldonium was not illegal last year when Povetkin admitted he took it. No one knows exactly how long it stays in your system, so his claim that he hasn't taken it since last year is possible. The only thing that potentially disproves this is that his prior three tests came back clean, but then again tests are inconsistent (see Lance Armstrong) and it's possible he had traces in his system this whole time since he took it last year, but it only showed up in the most recent test because of inconsistent testing.

3. The amount in his system is still below the WADA allowed limit, which is where all the confusion is coming from. It's like testosterone with USADA, most athletes have much higher amounts than the average person, but as long as it's below the 4:1 or 6:1 ratio or whatever it is, then you pass the test. It's the amount that matters. Of course, meldonium isn't naturally occurring like testosterone, but that's still how the tests work. If it's below the allowed limit, then isn't that, well, allowed? How is it a failed test if the test passes the guidelines? It can't pass the allowed guidelines, but still be failed. Can you explain this? It still confuses me.

4. Povetkin was supposed to be Wilder's mandatory last year, and Wilder has yet to face another top boxer, giving many fans the impression that he's another Al Haymon "businessman" rather than a fighter, and that he will avoid every top fighter out there so long as he has a way to. This is what caused many people to assume he'd duck Povetkin in the first place. Then he didn't fight him last year, requested an interim defense instead, which added to people's doubts about him. Then in his interim defense, he fought a total nobody. This added to people's doubts.

5. Now, everyone knows that a test isn't officially failed until the A sample is over the allowed limit, and then the B sample is tested to confirm. Povetkin's A sample wasn't over the limit, which still confuses me how it was a failed test at all then, but let's assume I'm missing something there and the A sample really was failed. In that case, the fight is supposed to be delayed, not canceled, until the B sample is tested to confirm. If Wilder was dying to fight Povetkin, he would want Povetkin's B sample tested, and hope that it came back negative. He would say stuff like "this looks bad but I'm hoping the B sample comes back negative and I hope the fight is still on!"

Instead, Wilder immediately called for the fight to be canceled before the B sample even got tested, and also demanded he get paid 4.6 million dollars to not do the fight. Povetkin and his team are still saying they'd like to fight Wilder, do all the drug tests again, and obviously be clean for the fight and fight Wilder. Meanwhile Wilder's team keeps acting like they never want to fight him even if the WBC says his levels were below the allowed limit, and even if he's clean.

6. So even though many people jumped to conclusions, when you get into the actual details, and you know Wilder's history and the history with many Al Haymon fighters, all of this adds more doubts in people's minds that Wilder either didn't want this fight, or is happy to not be going through with the fight.

7. Another interesting aspect is that Showtime signed Anthony Joshua to a contract just a few weeks ago, while at the same time they were having trouble signing a contract with Povetkin's team to air the Wilder-Povetkin fight. It's very possible that Showtime saw the writing on the wall, that if Povetkin won he would take their only heavyweight title over to HBO, so it's possible Showtime is the one pushing to just cancel this fight all together. I think many people are sensing that there's more going on here than just the biggest fight available to Wilder right now being canceled over microdoses of a "PED" that was legal only a few months ago, and that studies have shown has no more impact than a placebo. It seems like there's more going on.

8. Most of all, the reason Wilder has fans who don't like him is because, as a convert from football and Haymon's only promising heavyweight prospect, he was protected more than any other Haymon fighter besides Gary Russel jr. coming up, and at age 30, he's still to fight a top heavyweight. People just want to see good fights.

Even Gennady Golovkin gets criticized a lot, and he's tried to fight every top fighter in his division. He chases anyone in his division who could be considered a threat at all. He signed to fight Pirog, the guy who knocked Danny Jacobs out. He called out Sergio Martinez, Peter Quillin before he got KO'd, Danny Jacobs, Miguel Cotto, Canelo Alvarez, Felix Sturm back in his prime at middleweight. That's what people want. There will always be arguments about Andre Ward at 168 and whether GGG didn't want it, or if Andre Ward's promotional issues and request for tuneups prevented it, or if, what my theory is, the money just wasn't there for a PPV fight until after the Lemieux fight when GGG was already on the path to Canelo and Ward had moved up to LHW, but the one thing everyone respects is that GGG at least tries to fight every top guy in his division, and even make the big pay per view fights at 168 like Chavez jr. and Carl Froch a few years ago.

That's what champions and top fighters are supposed to do at minimum. There can be debates about going up in weight, but when it comes to your own weight class, you are supposed to go after the best fighters and the biggest fights.

So it's really that simple, it's common sense. If a fighter like GGG who does that still gets criticism, then obviously Deontay Wilder is going to get criticism because he never does that. He never went after either Klitschko during their primes. I haven't heard him call out Anthony Joshua for later this year once. The only guy he's shown any interest in fighting is Tyson Fury because he views him as the weakest champion, but that's kind of the point. Real fighters go after all the best guys, they don't just fight bums for years until they think they see a weak link to go collect another title. Bomb Squad against either prime Klitschko would have been a great fight, but now we'll never get to see it because Wilder never showed any interest. So yes, it's hard to support "champions" like that who try to build their careers off fighting cab drivers and picking up one vacated belt. And trying to collect a 4.6 million dollar check without fighting is a terrible look. If they can't find a new date for the fight later this year, then Wilder should get reimbursed for his training expenses in my opinion. That would be fair. But getting the full purse without fighting when you won't even make an effort to reschedule, even though your opponent is willing to do drug testing? That's not what champions do.

So there you go man. It's not as simple as you want to make it look. And remember my first point, none of yall were complaining when Floyd pulled his ish in the biggest fight of the century, and yall know Memo Heredia offers a lot better stuff than just meldonium. His fighter Lucian Bute just got caught, and for yall saying he didn't work with Bute this fight, Bute tweeted a photo that said Memo worked with him this fight, so get your facts straight.

You spent all that time writing chapters but tha A and B samples both came back positive face it dude cheated if it was this 70 Nanograms crap like the promoter put out traces wouldn't of came back in B sample would of been a false positive

[Boxing Logic]

Why isn't he calling out Luis Ortiz? The network divide is rarely bridged, but HBO can't find any opponents for Ortiz, so this is probably one of the times it could be. Yall are asking for Lara-GGG so if that's possible, obviously Wilder-Ortiz is too. And even if it couldn't happen, that didn't stop GGG from calling out Jacobs and Quillin. It's about intent. As fans we have to ask ourselves, does this guy really want to fight the best? Is he trying to make the biggest fights? GGG isn't in big fights either in his division but at least he tries to fight all those guys. It's not his fault even the big middleweights like Danny Jacobs and Peter Quillin keep ducking him. But Wilder is the opposite. It feels like he's the one who doesn't want the best fights. It doesn't feel like he's chasing the other guys but they duck him.

The Povetkin situation is just the latest in a pattern with Wilder. For fans wanting to defend Wilder, they will use the micro dose of meldonium as the excuse and ignore everything else, but I look at the whole picture and I saw all the same red flags in how he delayed that fight as long as possible and then tried to cancel it immediately before the WBC even investigated whether the amount was over the limit and whether the B side tested positive. Like I said it's just a clear pattern of not wanting to fight the best fights unless he's mandated to.

It can be best said like this. Wilder seems to wait as long as possible to fight the best guys, and then when there's a way out, he was the quickest I've ever seen to cancel. He didn't even wait to see if there was any hope of salvaging the fight, to see any of the details of what happened. They weren't reacting to the WBC, they were trying to influence and lead the WBC into canceling it. When the WBC was saying "delayed," they were saying "no, please cancel!" Just a ton of red flags. I expected him to knock out Povetkin anyway because of the height and speed advantage, but there's no way I can root for Wilder until he starts chasing the best fighters in his division. Like why did he wait for Povetkin to become his mandatory, and then delay it even more, in the first place? GGG is so on the lookout for credible, name opponents in his division willing to fight him, if he had someone like Povetkin in his division who wanted to fight him, GGG would have called to make that fight right away whether he was mandatory or not. That's the difference between being the guy who wants the big fights, and being the guy who wants to fight cab drivers, and every once in awhile gets forced into big fights if they want to keep their belt. I prefer to root for the first type of guy.

[Shadoww702]

Never? Are you sure lol?

Man, I'm convinced 99% of the disagreements on NSB come from amnesia-bias and faulty logic.

1. Floyd Mayweather hired the guy (Ariza) yall all said supplied Pacquiao with PEDs, and then hired Memo Heredia who has bragged on camera about being able to create undetectable PEDs, for the biggest fight of the century, and then afterwards needed a TUE for using obscene amounts of saline which is known to mask PEDs, and yall defended him like crazy. So at least be consistent and don't act like this has never happened.

2. Meldonium was not illegal last year when Povetkin admitted he took it. No one knows exactly how long it stays in your system, so his claim that he hasn't taken it since last year is possible. The only thing that potentially disproves this is that his prior three tests came back clean, but then again tests are inconsistent (see Lance Armstrong) and it's possible he had traces in his system this whole time since he took it last year, but it only showed up in the most recent test because of inconsistent testing.

3. The amount in his system is still below the WADA allowed limit, which is where all the confusion is coming from. It's like testosterone with USADA, most athletes have much higher amounts than the average person, but as long as it's below the 4:1 or 6:1 ratio or whatever it is, then you pass the test. It's the amount that matters. Of course, meldonium isn't naturally occurring like testosterone, but that's still how the tests work. If it's below the allowed limit, then isn't that, well, allowed? How is it a failed test if the test passes the guidelines? It can't pass the allowed guidelines, but still be failed. Can you explain this? It still confuses me.

4. Povetkin was supposed to be Wilder's mandatory last year, and Wilder has yet to face another top boxer, giving many fans the impression that he's another Al Haymon "businessman" rather than a fighter, and that he will avoid every top fighter out there so long as he has a way to. This is what caused many people to assume he'd duck Povetkin in the first place. Then he didn't fight him last year, requested an interim defense instead, which added to people's doubts about him. Then in his interim defense, he fought a total nobody. This added to people's doubts.

5. Now, everyone knows that a test isn't officially failed until the A sample is over the allowed limit, and then the B sample is tested to confirm. Povetkin's A sample wasn't over the limit, which still confuses me how it was a failed test at all then, but let's assume I'm missing something there and the A sample really was failed. In that case, the fight is supposed to be delayed, not canceled, until the B sample is tested to confirm. If Wilder was dying to fight Povetkin, he would want Povetkin's B sample tested, and hope that it came back negative. He would say stuff like "this looks bad but I'm hoping the B sample comes back negative and I hope the fight is still on!"

Instead, Wilder immediately called for the fight to be canceled before the B sample even got tested, and also demanded he get paid 4.6 million dollars to not do the fight. Povetkin and his team are still saying they'd like to fight Wilder, do all the drug tests again, and obviously be clean for the fight and fight Wilder. Meanwhile Wilder's team keeps acting like they never want to fight him even if the WBC says his levels were below the allowed limit, and even if he's clean.

6. So even though many people jumped to conclusions, when you get into the actual details, and you know Wilder's history and the history with many Al Haymon fighters, all of this adds more doubts in people's minds that Wilder either didn't want this fight, or is happy to not be going through with the fight.

7. Another interesting aspect is that Showtime signed Anthony Joshua to a contract just a few weeks ago, while at the same time they were having trouble signing a contract with Povetkin's team to air the Wilder-Povetkin fight. It's very possible that Showtime saw the writing on the wall, that if Povetkin won he would take their only heavyweight title over to HBO, so it's possible Showtime is the one pushing to just cancel this fight all together. I think many people are sensing that there's more going on here than just the biggest fight available to Wilder right now being canceled over microdoses of a "PED" that was legal only a few months ago, and that studies have shown has no more impact than a placebo. It seems like there's more going on.

8. Most of all, the reason Wilder has fans who don't like him is because, as a convert from football and Haymon's only promising heavyweight prospect, he was protected more than any other Haymon fighter besides Gary Russel jr. coming up, and at age 30, he's still to fight a top heavyweight. People just want to see good fights.

Even Gennady Golovkin gets criticized a lot, and he's tried to fight every top fighter in his division. He chases anyone in his division who could be considered a threat at all. He signed to fight Pirog, the guy who knocked Danny Jacobs out. He called out Sergio Martinez, Peter Quillin before he got KO'd, Danny Jacobs, Miguel Cotto, Canelo Alvarez, Felix Sturm back in his prime at middleweight. That's what people want. There will always be arguments about Andre Ward at 168 and whether GGG didn't want it, or if Andre Ward's promotional issues and request for tuneups prevented it, or if, what my theory is, the money just wasn't there for a PPV fight until after the Lemieux fight when GGG was already on the path to Canelo and Ward had moved up to LHW, but the one thing everyone respects is that GGG at least tries to fight every top guy in his division, and even make the big pay per view fights at 168 like Chavez jr. and Carl Froch a few years ago.

That's what champions and top fighters are supposed to do at minimum. There can be debates about going up in weight, but when it comes to your own weight class, you are supposed to go after the best fighters and the biggest fights.

So it's really that simple, it's common sense. If a fighter like GGG who does that still gets criticism, then obviously Deontay Wilder is going to get criticism because he never does that. He never went after either Klitschko during their primes. I haven't heard him call out Anthony Joshua for later this year once. The only guy he's shown any interest in fighting is Tyson Fury because he views him as the weakest champion, but that's kind of the point. Real fighters go after all the best guys, they don't just fight bums for years until they think they see a weak link to go collect another title. Bomb Squad against either prime Klitschko would have been a great fight, but now we'll never get to see it because Wilder never showed any interest. So yes, it's hard to support "champions" like that who try to build their careers off fighting cab drivers and picking up one vacated belt. And trying to collect a 4.6 million dollar check without fighting is a terrible look. If they can't find a new date for the fight later this year, then Wilder should get reimbursed for his training expenses in my opinion. That would be fair. But getting the full purse without fighting when you won't even make an effort to reschedule, even though your opponent is willing to do drug testing? That's not what champions do.

So there you go man. It's not as simple as you want to make it look. And remember my first point, none of yall were complaining when Floyd pulled his ish in the biggest fight of the century, and yall know Memo Heredia offers a lot better stuff than just meldonium. His fighter Lucian Bute just got caught, and for yall saying he didn't work with Bute this fight, Bute tweeted a photo that said Memo worked with him this fight, so get your facts straight.

All those excuses and he still FAILED on BOTH samples.

In the words of Kovalev

"If it looks like a CHEAT, walks like a CHEAT, and test POSITIVE like a cheat"..."Its a FKN CHEAT!!!!"

Quack, quack or Cheat, cheat.

[Shadoww702]

You spent all that time writing chapters but tha A and B samples both came back positive face it dude cheated if it was this 70 Nanograms crap like the promoter put out traces wouldn't of came back in B sample would of been a false positive

You really think that POS even cares if Pedovetkin cheated??? That's funny. The more ppl make excuses the more their lying.

[K-Nan]

We know you'd do anything, we saw the test results

[Shadoww702]

Why isn't he calling out Luis Ortiz? The network divide is rarely bridged, but HBO can't find any opponents for Ortiz, so this is probably one of the times it could be. Yall are asking for Lara-GGG so if that's possible, obviously Wilder-Ortiz is too. And even if it couldn't happen, that didn't stop GGG from calling out Jacobs and Quillin. It's about intent. As fans we have to ask ourselves, does this guy really want to fight the best? Is he trying to make the biggest fights? GGG isn't in big fights either in his division but at least he tries to fight all those guys. It's not his fault even the big middleweights like Danny Jacobs and Peter Quillin keep ducking him. But Wilder is the opposite. It feels like he's the one who doesn't want the best fights. It doesn't feel like he's chasing the other guys but they duck him.

The Povetkin situation is just the latest in a pattern with Wilder. For fans wanting to defend Wilder, they will use the micro dose of meldonium as the excuse and ignore everything else, but I look at the whole picture and I saw all the same red flags in how he delayed that fight as long as possible and then tried to cancel it immediately before the WBC even investigated whether the amount was over the limit and whether the B side tested positive. Like I said it's just a clear pattern of not wanting to fight the best fights unless he's mandated to.

It can be best said like this. Wilder seems to wait as long as possible to fight the best guys, and then when there's a way out, he was the quickest I've ever seen to cancel. He didn't even wait to see if there was any hope of salvaging the fight, to see any of the details of what happened. They weren't reacting to the WBC, they were trying to influence and lead the WBC into canceling it. When the WBC was saying "delayed," they were saying "no, please cancel!" Just a ton of red flags. I expected him to knock out Povetkin anyway because of the height and speed advantage, but there's no way I can root for Wilder until he starts chasing the best fighters in his division. Like why did he wait for Povetkin to become his mandatory, and then delay it even more, in the first place? GGG is so on the lookout for credible, name opponents in his division willing to fight him, if he had someone like Povetkin in his division who wanted to fight him, GGG would have called to make that fight right away whether he was mandatory or not. That's the difference between being the guy who wants the big fights, and being the guy who wants to fight cab drivers, and every once in awhile gets forced into big fights if they want to keep their belt. I prefer to root for the first type of guy.

Wilder and GGG have the same resume and BOTH fight Cab drivers dip sht. And BOTH always talk big fights but NONE ever happen.are you racist???

[PunchyPotorff]

Never? Are you sure lol?

Man, I'm convinced 99% of the disagreements on NSB come from amnesia-bias and faulty logic.

1. Floyd Mayweather hired the guy (Ariza) yall all said supplied Pacquiao with PEDs, and then hired Memo Heredia who has bragged on camera about being able to create undetectable PEDs, for the biggest fight of the century, and then afterwards needed a TUE for using obscene amounts of saline which is known to mask PEDs, and yall defended him like crazy. So at least be consistent and don't act like this has never happened.

2. Meldonium was not illegal last year when Povetkin admitted he took it. No one knows exactly how long it stays in your system, so his claim that he hasn't taken it since last year is possible. The only thing that potentially disproves this is that his prior three tests came back clean, but then again tests are inconsistent (see Lance Armstrong) and it's possible he had traces in his system this whole time since he took it last year, but it only showed up in the most recent test because of inconsistent testing.

3. The amount in his system is still below the WADA allowed limit, which is where all the confusion is coming from. It's like testosterone with USADA, most athletes have much higher amounts than the average person, but as long as it's below the 4:1 or 6:1 ratio or whatever it is, then you pass the test. It's the amount that matters. Of course, meldonium isn't naturally occurring like testosterone, but that's still how the tests work. If it's below the allowed limit, then isn't that, well, allowed? How is it a failed test if the test passes the guidelines? It can't pass the allowed guidelines, but still be failed. Can you explain this? It still confuses me.

4. Povetkin was supposed to be Wilder's mandatory last year, and Wilder has yet to face another top boxer, giving many fans the impression that he's another Al Haymon "businessman" rather than a fighter, and that he will avoid every top fighter out there so long as he has a way to. This is what caused many people to assume he'd duck Povetkin in the first place. Then he didn't fight him last year, requested an interim defense instead, which added to people's doubts about him. Then in his interim defense, he fought a total nobody. This added to people's doubts.

5. Now, everyone knows that a test isn't officially failed until the A sample is over the allowed limit, and then the B sample is tested to confirm. Povetkin's A sample wasn't over the limit, which still confuses me how it was a failed test at all then, but let's assume I'm missing something there and the A sample really was failed. In that case, the fight is supposed to be delayed, not canceled, until the B sample is tested to confirm. If Wilder was dying to fight Povetkin, he would want Povetkin's B sample tested, and hope that it came back negative. He would say stuff like "this looks bad but I'm hoping the B sample comes back negative and I hope the fight is still on!"

Instead, Wilder immediately called for the fight to be canceled before the B sample even got tested, and also demanded he get paid 4.6 million dollars to not do the fight. Povetkin and his team are still saying they'd like to fight Wilder, do all the drug tests again, and obviously be clean for the fight and fight Wilder. Meanwhile Wilder's team keeps acting like they never want to fight him even if the WBC says his levels were below the allowed limit, and even if he's clean.

6. So even though many people jumped to conclusions, when you get into the actual details, and you know Wilder's history and the history with many Al Haymon fighters, all of this adds more doubts in people's minds that Wilder either didn't want this fight, or is happy to not be going through with the fight.

7. Another interesting aspect is that Showtime signed Anthony Joshua to a contract just a few weeks ago, while at the same time they were having trouble signing a contract with Povetkin's team to air the Wilder-Povetkin fight. It's very possible that Showtime saw the writing on the wall, that if Povetkin won he would take their only heavyweight title over to HBO, so it's possible Showtime is the one pushing to just cancel this fight all together. I think many people are sensing that there's more going on here than just the biggest fight available to Wilder right now being canceled over microdoses of a "PED" that was legal only a few months ago, and that studies have shown has no more impact than a placebo. It seems like there's more going on.

8. Most of all, the reason Wilder has fans who don't like him is because, as a convert from football and Haymon's only promising heavyweight prospect, he was protected more than any other Haymon fighter besides Gary Russel jr. coming up, and at age 30, he's still to fight a top heavyweight. People just want to see good fights.

Even Gennady Golovkin gets criticized a lot, and he's tried to fight every top fighter in his division. He chases anyone in his division who could be considered a threat at all. He signed to fight Pirog, the guy who knocked Danny Jacobs out. He called out Sergio Martinez, Peter Quillin before he got KO'd, Danny Jacobs, Miguel Cotto, Canelo Alvarez, Felix Sturm back in his prime at middleweight. That's what people want. There will always be arguments about Andre Ward at 168 and whether GGG didn't want it, or if Andre Ward's promotional issues and request for tuneups prevented it, or if, what my theory is, the money just wasn't there for a PPV fight until after the Lemieux fight when GGG was already on the path to Canelo and Ward had moved up to LHW, but the one thing everyone respects is that GGG at least tries to fight every top guy in his division, and even make the big pay per view fights at 168 like Chavez jr. and Carl Froch a few years ago.

That's what champions and top fighters are supposed to do at minimum. There can be debates about going up in weight, but when it comes to your own weight class, you are supposed to go after the best fighters and the biggest fights.

So it's really that simple, it's common sense. If a fighter like GGG who does that still gets criticism, then obviously Deontay Wilder is going to get criticism because he never does that. He never went after either Klitschko during their primes. I haven't heard him call out Anthony Joshua for later this year once. The only guy he's shown any interest in fighting is Tyson Fury because he views him as the weakest champion, but that's kind of the point. Real fighters go after all the best guys, they don't just fight bums for years until they think they see a weak link to go collect another title. Bomb Squad against either prime Klitschko would have been a great fight, but now we'll never get to see it because Wilder never showed any interest. So yes, it's hard to support "champions" like that who try to build their careers off fighting cab drivers and picking up one vacated belt. And trying to collect a 4.6 million dollar check without fighting is a terrible look. If they can't find a new date for the fight later this year, then Wilder should get reimbursed for his training expenses in my opinion. That would be fair. But getting the full purse without fighting when you won't even make an effort to reschedule, even though your opponent is willing to do drug testing? That's not what champions do.

So there you go man. It's not as simple as you want to make it look. And remember my first point, none of yall were complaining when Floyd pulled his ish in the biggest fight of the century, and yall know Memo Heredia offers a lot better stuff than just meldonium. His fighter Lucian Bute just got caught, and for yall saying he didn't work with Bute this fight, Bute tweeted a photo that said Memo worked with him this fight, so get your facts straight.

A bit lengthy, so don't expect the Floydie fans to read it all, but agreed on his obvious juicing being ignored, yet trace elements for Povetkin gets the 3rd degree. Just a disguised attempt to protect their hero. Bottom line: Povetkin/Wilder needs to happen. Get the investigation over, realizing it was minute traces of an element no one yet knows how long it will stay in the body, realize it's a grey area, get em in the ring and let's do this thing. With all the anti-Povetkin griping going on, I'm certain they're just as relieved as Wilder the fight was stopped. Enough of that craziness, get the damn fight going already.