Comments Thread For: "Fighting Words" - Golovkin, Canelo and Positions of Power

[vitali1999]

He fights better guys , Ward would knock out Wades every day of the week .

Wards best opponents puts GGGs to shame Ward has real fast track elite guys on his resume GGG has nobodys , its relative , and on top of that if GGG would get in the ring with Ward you would see what boring does to your exciting .

Youre a little warped in your idea of real fans , real fans want to see real competition between top fighters not slaughter of bums , by your own reasoning Butterbean with 58 kos in 78 wins inside 4 rounds is better than GGG .

Wade was top ranked, a mandatory and undefeated. Butter bean ain't even close. Yes Ward beats everybody but it's in the manner he does it. Take Runweather, he beat everybody, by decision ! I bet you Kovalev will beat your boxing boy Ward soon.

[ssc73]

The reason they won't pay for Ward to fight lesser opponents is because he's boring. All his fights go to decision. Ggg fights all end in knockouts, that's why they pay for his. Real fans want to see knockouts not decisions.

Everybody loves knockouts......but REAL fans can appreciate 12 rounds of high skill. People who find Andre Ward boring either don't know what they are watching of they aren't "true fans".....

In the last twenty years there's been way too much about winning titles at multiple weight classes. It's just too easy to do with for belts in 17 weight classes..

Did I want to see Ward vs GGG?? Yes. Didn't happen. Do I think GGG was scared? Ridiculous!! But somebody somewhere on his team thought the risk was too high and didn't want to chance him getting beat by a skilled fighter. They wanted to cash in first. I get it.......I think Ward wins in a tough fight.

Canelo, on the other hand, has had two hugely successful ppv shows. He is 1-1 but could easily be 0-2. So he's got his millions and not many guys left at 154..... though there are guys I believe could beat him there.

At 155+, only one fight matters. If Canelo beats Khan, as he should and doesn't fight GGG? Shoe will be on the other foot but using one ppv outting by GGG against a quite unknown fighter isn't exactly fair and doesn't buy him a pass imo. Canelo needed Floyd and Cotto to do the numbers he did.

Canelo has the youth to drop the extra pounds but averages a fight night weight higher than GGG. And there is NOTHING wrong with staying at one weight. Hagler, Monzon, two of the best MW ever did just that.

GGG is much better than he gets credit for. He has excellent footwork, defense in a very similar style to Duran, good head movement, etc. And if given the chance at the new catch weight king (6 in a row now?), he will wreck him. I don't see a single thing Canelo does better. And if Oscar is being honest, he doesn't either which is why they'll avoid that fight again.......and hopefully it will hit them where it hurts in Sept when he's fighting another smaller guy and they do 200k buys or less. Because there isn't anyone active from 154-160 that will bring the high numbers they now expect..... except GGG.

Canelo is a full MW. He has the lineal title. Avoiding that fight now? There's no excuse if he's as good as they claim him to be.

If it doesn't happen this time, the real reason don't have anything to do with this "dollars makes sense" BS......it will be because they know he can't beat GGG. And very likely would be KO #23 in a row.

It's really that simple.......

[Dr Rumack]

I don't think I've ever before seen a lineal champion duck the No.1 challenger in a division, and get less stick for it than the challenger.

[MC Hammer]

Ward has a better resume, sure, because he was in the Super 6.

Take off Froch & Dawson though and Ward's resume has nothing on GGG's. That's only two guys, so where are all the KOs?

You forgot Arthur Abraham, Mikkel Kessler, Sakio Bika as well. All fighters who are leaps and bounds beyond Anyone ggg has beaten. Hell Darnell Boone would beat ggg's resume.

[deanrw]

I don't think I've ever before seen a lineal champion duck the No.1 challenger in a division, and get less stick for it than the challenger.

That's basically what is going on.

[Snoop Frog]

I don't think I've ever before seen a lineal champion duck the No.1 challenger in a division, and get less stick for it than the challenger.

Well said.

[Teetotaler]

The reason they won't pay for Ward to fight lesser opponents is because he's boring. All his fights go to decision. Ggg fights all end in knockouts, that's why they pay for his. Real fans want to see knockouts not decisions.

Exactly. If your an elite fighter fighting a lesser opponent the knock his ass out. wtf you gonna decision a guy that has no business being in there with you in the first place

[OnePunch]

For many good reasons

1. Ward struggles to make 168, Ggg makes 160 with ease. Many posters (mostly bad ones, granted) expect him to go down to 155 for a unification
2. Ggg much better **** for their buck.
3. Ggg never cleaned out his division. Ward did long ago, kinda. Ggg has never even been #1 in major rankings.
4. Ggg is mando for the biggest fight in boxing. Ward and Kovalev got **** for prospects

Re 3, what's this sites position, if Canelo gets stripped for ducking the mando? Is he still #1 at MW?

I dont know why Boxrec has Canelo at #1 either. If its because of the whole "lineal" thing, then why do they have Kovalev at #1 over Stevenson?

[Shadoww702]

I dont know why Boxrec has Canelo at #1 either. If its because of the whole "lineal" thing, then why do they have Kovalev at #1 over Stevenson?

Because he beat the man, who beat the man...

[OnePunch]

Because he beat the man, who beat the man...

no **** sherlock

my question was if they rate canelo over ggg because of "lineal", then why do they have kovalev over stevenson, since stevenson is "lineal"