Comments Thread For: Garcia-Guerrero Preliminary Ratings Average - 2.259 Million

[New England]

I know that people pay for HBO but I think some of that # for Canelo/Kirkland is because May/Pac replay

If you could could post some links about May/Pac rebroadcast doing 1 million ,not that I Dont believe you just never seen that.

Yes bring your E-shovel New England. I know your one of the most smug & arrogant people on this site and probably base your vast knowledge & opinion on boxing the same way you get reassurance of your looks, from your Mom but everything you type isn't always the gospel.

that replay did 1.2 million. canelo - kirkland did 2.3, which is close to double that. you just can't attribute the numbers to that replay, given the reality of the breakdown of viewership. attribute them to canelo, whose ratings on a premium, expensive network were on par with ratings on one that broadcasts for free.


here's a link. i do appreciate you taking the time to learn from me, but the talk about my mother will not be tolerated


if you want to learn more about boxing, most of you can really benefit from shutting the f#ck up and grabbing a notepad when i talk.

[SUBZER0ED]

for perspective, canelo and kirkland did nearly identical ratings to the fox PBC card, and fox is free, while HBO can cost as much as $20 a month. i think i pay $15.

a "good" rating for the major networks is several times the dismal ratings danny got on saturday. that was the least watched block of TV for the major networks. the ratings were a total bomb, considering that haymon pays money to put these guys on TV, and never does well selling tickets at the gate.


he's doing nothing for his fighters aside from getting them easy fights on TV.

he's not building them into stars by investing in them, the way he obviously thinks he is. at least i hope that's whta he's trying to do. in reailty, these guys are no bigger than they used to be, adn they will f#cking bomb on PPV

I'm not a Haymon cheer leader, but I don't think your argument carries as much weight as you may think. First, I'm willing to bet that the average American has either a cable or satellite carrier, so they are paying for local channels as part of a package. Second, boxing is a niche sport, so outside of a colossal fight between two superstars, viewership won't vary much between premium channels and local networks. I do agree that Haymon's strategy of milking careers with big money for easy fights is bad for boxing. That's one of the reasons that he branched off on his own; premium networks were tired of footing the bill for bs fights.

[bigdunny1]

Yup not only did Canelo do far better ratings then the Floyd/Manny HBO replay but Showtime foolishly aired their own replay of the fight with a EXCLUSIVE interview with Floyd. Their replay did only 370k viewers and the interview did worse only 318k. Canelo insane HBO rating has more to do with fans wanting to see him and it being his first non ppv fight in 2-3 years and first after signing his HBO deal.

[El-blanco]

I really hope this was a ponzi type scheme because otherwise haymon doesn't look too bright with this idea or execution. The tactic that got him all these fighters, over inflated purses, is what is aiding in the demise of this product rapidly. That assumes this was a serious venture and not some con. I really can't see how anyone thought this was truly a good idea with a sport like boxing and with a roster whose biggest name is someone like Danny garcia.

[M Bison]

Damn, I didn't realize Robert Guerrero had that many fans.

[bigdunny1]

I'm not a Haymon cheer leader, but I don't think your argument carries as much weight as you may think. First, I'm willing to bet that the average American has either a cable or satellite carrier, so they are paying for local channels as part of a package. Second, boxing is a niche sport, so outside of a colossal fight between two superstars, viewership won't vary much between premium channels and local networks.

HBO are are still in only 30% of the homes. NBC, Fox, CBS are in every home you don't even need a cable subscription it's free with rabbit ears antenna. Even HBO shows for example Ballers starring the Rock was a huge hit and immediately picked up for season 2 drew an avg of 1.7m TV viewers on sunday nights. There are network shows that get canceled for drawing that many viewers. Yet this show on HBO made millions. There are shows on HBO that get less then 1mil viewers when they release new episodes and make money while FX just canceled the Bastard Executioner because it bombed getting...an avg of 1mil viewers. And that's cable far more homes have FX then HBO. Minority Report on FOX just got canceled and it debuted with over 3mil rating and then went down to 2.07 rating and that's considered a bomb and got it canceled in 1 season. Comparing these ratings to HBO is just plain dumb. HBO is subscription based and makes money differently then FOX or cable TV does which is through ads based on TV ratings. And comparing PBC to their competition on network and cable tv these ratings are terrible.

If HBO's biggest shows are doing 1-1.7m viewers it's impossible for HBO Boxing to do really much higher then that which is why what Canelo did is so amazing and ain't been done in 10 years. 1-1.5m is really the ceiling for HBO boxing. But on cable and especially network TV to pay for top end boxers to fight you need to be doing double and triple these numbers to compete with other cable and network programming. If Canelo fought on FOX this weekend no doubt he would of done like 3X the ratings Garcia just did at minimum.

[HeroBando]

"Fights entertained doesnt say much"?

Oh as boxing fans we dont want to be entertained we want to know if they made money or not? That right there is all i need to know about you as a boxing fan. NSB doesnt have many boxing fans but they have tons of "accounting fans"

I made 10 non fans watch it and they all thought it was boring as **** and probably won't give it another try.

[Fetta]

I made 10 non fans watch it and they all thought it was boring as **** and probably won't give it another try.

If ALL 10 thought it was boring then maybe this sport isnt for them. Theres MMA or Tennis is on at the moment. I have friends who love Basketball and i cant stand it. Just like some of you think im crazy causr Baseball rules my household.

Different strokes for different folks but many liked fight and thought it was fun

[R_Walken]

that replay did 1.2 million. canelo - kirkland did 2.3, which is close to double that. you just can't attribute the numbers to that replay, given the reality of the breakdown of viewership. attribute them to canelo, whose ratings on a premium, expensive network were on par with ratings on one that broadcasts for free.


here's a link. i do appreciate you taking the time to learn from me, but the talk about my mother will not be tolerated


if you want to learn more about boxing, most of you can really benefit from shutting the f#ck up and grabbing a notepad when i talk.

Thanks for the link

Wasn't talking smack about your Mom, just a little dig because what you wrote in the thunderdome about how you know your good looking because of what your Mom & her friends tell you.

[Pigeons]

do you know why they got that manny viewers? they were free! championship level boxing has typically been on premium cable or PPV.


what are you not understanding? i don't think you're as dumb as the rest of these people, so i think you're just being intentionally difficult.

canelo - kirkland cost $15-$20 a month to watch . fox is free.

gonna say it again:

canelo - kirkland costs money

garcia - guerrero was free, and broadcast by one of the biggest networks on television


you can stick your head in the sand and ignore everything but the numbers if it really makes you feel better. it's an odd look. ostritches are much, much dumber than people, who recognize that sticking your head in the sand and ignoring the truth doesn't make it go away or detract from its impact.


canelo - kirkland damn near beat danny in ratings when danny was on FREE TV and in primetime. those are horrible numbers for fox, which is the standard by which the ratings should be judged.

You're focusing on one outlier though. Canelo-Kirkland did great numbers, that was great for boxing, but it was also the first time since 2009 HBO had broken 2M. That isn't a regular number for HBO. It was much closer to a fluke aided by the Mayweather-Pacquaio lead-in and Canelo's first fight off PPV in 4 fights and his return to HBO.

HBO usually does ~1M per show, and even that number is usually top 10 among all original cable programs on Saturday nights. Regardless of how much HBO costs. HBO does really good ratings for boxing regardless of their position as a pay channel.

For comparison's sake FOX did 1.1M at 8 and 9PM EST last Saturday. PBC doubled that.