Comments Thread For: Garcia-Guerrero Preliminary Ratings Average - 2.259 Million

[IMDAZED]

Again you keep making this about Steve Kim and ignoring the fact that he is not the only media outlet who has reported about PBC struggling to sell tickets and being forced to just give a mass amount of them away for their events. Attendance and not selling tickets has been a problem literally day 1 since PBC debuted. The fact that you still hear these stories about all the tickets they are giving away is alarming. And the debut on Fox doing a 2.2 rating and finishing dead last among the other networks is not a good sign.

Total prime ratings
CBS 5.14
NBC 3.69
ABC 3.49
FOX 2.24

And PBC was dead last specifically for all the shows that aired Sat night. Ratings are especially bad when UFC did more viewers on FS1 on a card that aired from 10pm-1am last sunday night. PBC just spent like 10X the amount for LESS ratings. For that event UFC drew 12,022 fans and a confirmed live gate of $1.3 million. No reports of UFC giving away free tickets those are real tickets sold. Wonder why PBC refusing to release live gate amounts for their fights? Oh yeah because if they do then they expose the phony attendance numbers and amount of free tickets they are forced to give away.

When PBC gets a new network deal what will be your new sn?

[SUBZER0ED]

Decent numbers, considering Garcia has either looked bad against (Herrera, Peterson) or beat smaller (Salka) & washed-up (Malignaggi) opponents lately. I found the HW match between Breazeale and Mansour to be quite entertaining. I give props to Haymon & PBC for putting on a decent overall card.

[New England]

UFC had 4 cards on FOX in primetime in 2015. None broke 3M. Two didn't break 2.5M. The UFC is more popular than boxing.

looking at the purses from those fights, which have done better ratings than danny garcia even when they were on fs1, the UFC ius a heck of a lot more profitable, too


danny is one of the guys haymon is trying to turn into the next floyd mayweather, FFS. that is one of his biggest fighters! he's protected like he's some kind of future PPV star!

if haymon's not trying to build these guys into PPV fighters, one has to wonder what the heck he's doing going out there and losing money every time his guys fight

[Pigeons]

looking at the purses from those fights, which have done better ratings than danny garcia even when they were on fs1, the UFC ius a heck of a lot more profitable, too


danny is one of the guys haymon is trying to turn into the next floyd mayweather, FFS. that is one of his biggest fighters! he's protected like he's some kind of future PPV star!

if haymon's not trying to build these guys into PPV fighters, one has to wonder what the heck he's doing going out there and losing money every time his guys fight

If your argument is profitability, have at it. I won't pretend to know what their profit/loss statements look like.

If you want to talk ratings, 2M is a decent number for boxing in 2016. It's by no means great, but it definitely isn't horrible.

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thought it was interesting that PBC mentioned non PBC fighters and acknowledge sanctioning bodies. not sure what it means but they never use to do that

Maybe it has something to do with the litigation that Haymon is going through. I believe it was alleged that Haymon has been trying to create a monopoly with his own sanctioned belts, while ignoring the established sanctioning bodies and their belts. Mentioning sanctioning bodies on this latest broadcast debunks that argument somewhat.

[New England]

Decent numbers, considering Garcia has either looked bad against (Herrera, Peterson) or beat smaller (Salka) & washed-up (Malignaggi) opponents lately. I found the HW match between Breazeale and Mansour to be quite entertaining. I give props to Haymon & PBC for putting on a decent overall card.

for perspective, canelo and kirkland did nearly identical ratings to the fox PBC card, and fox is free, while HBO can cost as much as $20 a month. i think i pay $15.

a "good" rating for the major networks is several times the dismal ratings danny got on saturday. that was the least watched block of TV for the major networks. the ratings were a total bomb, considering that haymon pays money to put these guys on TV, and never does well selling tickets at the gate.


he's doing nothing for his fighters aside from getting them easy fights on TV.

he's not building them into stars by investing in them, the way he obviously thinks he is. at least i hope that's whta he's trying to do. in reailty, these guys are no bigger than they used to be, adn they will f#cking bomb on PPV

[New England]

If your argument is profitability, have at it. I won't pretend to know what their profit/loss statements look like.

If you want to talk ratings, 2M is a decent number for boxing in 2016. It's by no means great, but it definitely isn't horrible.

it's a great number for premium TV, but it wasn't on premium TV. canelo and kirkland was a huge success on HBO, and did just under what guerrero and garcia did.

HBO is $20 a month, however. fox is free if you've got a cable box. this is the context i was talking about. it's a horrible number for fox, who makes its money by selling advertising space. HBO makes its money from selling 15-20 dollar subs.

you can't compare the ratings of a broadcast that costs 20 a month to one that is free with a digital cable converter, which you can essentially get for free if you get government cupons.

[Pigeons]

it's a great number for premium TV, but it wasn't on premium TV. canelo and kirkland was a huge success on HBO, and did just under what guerrero and garcia did.

HBO is $20 a month, however. fox is free if you've got a cable box. this is the context i was talking about. it's a horrible number for fox, who makes its money by selling advertising space. HBO makes its money from selling 15-20 dollar subs.

you can't compare the ratings of a broadcast that costs 20 a month to one that is free with a digital cable converter, which you can essentially get for free if you get government cupons.

Canelo-Kirkland had the Mayweather-Pacquiao PPV replay lead-in, plus Canelo is the most popular fighter in the sport after Mayweather and Pacquiao.

I think that there have been 6 boxing shows to break 2M average viewers since 2010. Canelo-Kirkland, the first 4 PBC on NBC shows in 2015, and this show. This is a good number for boxing.

[Fetta]

Canelo-Kirkland had the Mayweather-Pacquiao PPV replay lead-in, plus Canelo is the most popular fighter in the sport after Mayweather and Pacquiao.

I think that there have been 6 boxing shows to break 2M average viewers since 2010. Canelo-Kirkland, the first 4 PBC on NBC shows in 2015, and this show. This is a good number for boxing.

I have non-boxing people coming into my office asking me if I saw the fight and telling me how good it was and like I said these are non-boxing people who do not watch the sport had no idea who either person was and they loved it.

Throw in that Danny Garcia's "oh so cute" and his baby with the belt was just adorable, I don't care if this thing made money or lost money it was a success.

[New England]

Canelo-Kirkland had the Mayweather-Pacquiao PPV replay lead-in, plus Canelo is the most popular fighter in the sport after Mayweather and Pacquiao.

I think that there have been 6 boxing shows to break 2M average viewers since 2010. Canelo-Kirkland, the first 4 PBC on NBC shows in 2015, and this show. This is a good number for boxing.

do you know why they got that manny viewers? they were free! championship level boxing has typically been on premium cable or PPV.


what are you not understanding? i don't think you're as dumb as the rest of these people, so i think you're just being intentionally difficult.

canelo - kirkland cost $15-$20 a month to watch . fox is free.

gonna say it again:

canelo - kirkland costs money

garcia - guerrero was free, and broadcast by one of the biggest networks on television


you can stick your head in the sand and ignore everything but the numbers if it really makes you feel better. it's an odd look. ostritches are much, much dumber than people, who recognize that sticking your head in the sand and ignoring the truth doesn't make it go away or detract from its impact.


canelo - kirkland damn near beat danny in ratings when danny was on FREE TV and in primetime. those are horrible numbers for fox, which is the standard by which the ratings should be judged.