WBC President: "Miguel Cotto Told Me That He Is Facing Golovkin"

[bigjavi973]

my personal preference would obviously be for the fight to happen at 168 so there are no excuses afterwards, however when 2 guys from different divisions fight, a "meet in the middle" deal isnt all that terrible.

That being said, if after that the smaller guy decides to stay and campaign in that division, then that should be the end of any catchweight demands.......

Totally different situation and you are well aware of that. Every time you bring this up, it makes you look more foolish. You are better than that.

but he'll fight froch & chavez Jr at 168..... and they are from different weight classes..... why should it be 164 only for ward?

[OnePunch]

but he'll fight froch & chavez Jr at 168..... and they are from different weight classes..... why should it be 164 only for ward?

its called LEVERAGE.


Chavez and Froch had it.
Ward doesnt

[bigjavi973]

its called LEVERAGE.


Chavez and Froch had it.
Ward doesnt

excuses either you support catchweights or you don't.

Picking & choosing what catchweights to defend is stuff of fanboys.

[OnePunch]

excuses either you support catchweights or you don't.

Picking & choosing what catchweights to defend is stuff of fanboys.

wrong. There is also this thing called "context".

When 2 fighters from different divisions meet, a catchweight is certainly not ideal, but sometimes required in order to make the fight.

When a fighter demands a catchweight from a fighter within the same division, its a weak move. When that fighter also happens to be the lineal champion of that division, it reaches a whole new level of absurdity.

Im surprised you cant see the difference. Sure, we disagree on things, but you've always at least had a valid argument to make, until now....

[Bardock]

wrong. There is also this thing called "context".

When 2 fighters from different divisions meet, a catchweight is certainly not ideal, but sometimes required in order to make the fight.

When a fighter demands a catchweight from a fighter within the same division, its a weak move. When that fighter also happens to be the lineal champion of that division, it reaches a whole new level of absurdity.

Im surprised you cant see the difference. Sure, we disagree on things, but you've always at least had a valid argument to make, until now....

Javi is a fanboy everybody knows that. He might say some bs to fit in or to hide his agenda but when it comes to a rican his real bias comes out.

[bluzi]

but he'll fight froch & chavez Jr at 168..... and they are from different weight classes..... why should it be 164 only for ward?

You probably know why , because he can handle being 20 lbs ligther vs them but it will be hard to give so much to Ward.(not even talking bussiness side , just the matchups).
I do agree that Ward is on his way to 175 so asking a 164 is liking saying they dont want the fight , but Cotto/GGG is a different matter (same division) , Cotto can just drop the belt and go his way.

[boliodogs]

I don't think Cotto will beat Canelo but if he does I don't think he will defend his title against GGG at 160 pounds. Catchweight Cotto will want the fight to be at 155 pounds. Cotto has never fought at 160 and he never will fight at 160.

[bigjavi973]

wrong. There is also this thing called "context".

When 2 fighters from different divisions meet, a catchweight is certainly not ideal, but sometimes required in order to make the fight.

When a fighter demands a catchweight from a fighter within the same division, its a weak move. When that fighter also happens to be the lineal champion of that division, it reaches a whole new level of absurdity.

Im surprised you cant see the difference. Sure, we disagree on things, but you've always at least had a valid argument to make, until now....

So Ward would defend his lineal title at 164 vs ggg?

You are ok with a lineal title not being defended at the full limit?

[bigjavi973]

Javi is a fanboy everybody knows that. He might say some bs to fit in or to hide his agenda but when it comes to a rican his real bias comes out.

quote me being biased. I'll wait.....

[Zaryu]

The Cotto hate is impressive here. The thing is there's no winning for Cotto with the fans. Where do you draw the line between people challenging themselves by fighting bigger guys at catch weights or them going back to their natural division and accomplishing what they've already done?

Cotto's obviously a 154 pounder fighting in the middleweight division. This is not like Mayweather being considered a 140lbs fighter and never weighing less than 145 for a welterweight match, or even Pacquiao being considered by some as being able to even make 135 even though he hasn't weighed less than 140 since he faced Hatton. Cotto actually comes in around 154lbs, give or take one, while fighting middleweights.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of all these catch weights, but if Cotto said he would face GGG, this is a huge opportunity for Golovkin that shouldn't be dismissed just because of a CW. Cotto would be the underdog anyways, and would be facing a beast that's naturally bigger than him. The CW is not necessary, but Cotto doesn't need GGG either, he already won the middleweight title and will take that accomplishment with him no matter how much it bothers some people.

If Cotto faces Golovkin and loses, people will tear his resume while trying to completely discredit his accomplishments (even though a lot already do) . If he decides to relinquish his belt and go back to 154 where he belongs or retire, people will say he was scared and ran away. The only way Cotto comes out of this situation without leaving room for critique is to beat Golovkin at 160, but we all know that's a tall order, and that's exactly why people act like that's the only legitimate option, because they know you can't always beat the odds. Even if the unlikely happens and Cotto beats GGG at 160, the demand will rise for him to unify, and face other high risk challenges.

Just try and remember how many HOF fighters and cash cows put themselves in this position, risking everything by fighting bigger guys and coming in as the underdog even though they don't need to. I know some did, but it's not the majority. Cotto instead of being respected for fighting bigger guys is constantly criticized for trying to even the playing field, but now he's in too deep, and going back to 154 will be seen as a sign of weakness or surrendering.

All in all Cotto's a great fighter, and the truth is this post isn't really so much about him, but more about the nature of today's boxing fans. It's disappointing because I know another crowd will come out with vengeance as soon as there's any room to criticize GGG too, until then he's still on the favorable side of the majority, and will remain there until he moves up to the level of Cotto, Pacquiao or Mayweather. Then, the tide will turn.