The 'PBC Underdog Effect'?

[Tom Cruise]

Is it just me or does there seem to be way more 'underdog' performances in the PBC than everywhere else.

We got two more last night with Martinez beating Alexander and well past prime underweight Montiel giving FW belt holder Lee Selby a great fight.

More off the top of my head,

Fonfara beating Chavez Jr
Alejandro Gonzalez Jr giving Frampton hell.
Chris Arreola getting a lucky draw vs Fred Kassi
Willy Nelson KOing Harrison
Ricky Burns (seemingly shot and in a division above his best) giving Figueroa a very tough night

Most of these were set up as showcase fights for the star to look good but ended up either being losses or very rough nights. Some can be put down to underestimating opponents (Fonfara is obviously not just an 'opponent') but the others were pretty clear underdogs.

Am I looking too much into this?

[Tom Cruise]

I didnt want to put them in with the others, but I'd put Peterson (vs Garcia), Tarver (vs Cunningham), Collazo (vs Thurman) and Molina/ Duhuapas (vs Wilder) in the 'did better than expected' pile.

[M Bison]

Ricky Burns clearly deserved the nod over Figueroa all that sloppy ass **** Figueroa was trying to land barely connected and his constant clinching.

[Tom Cruise]

Aron Martinez who beat Alexander was also the guy who Guerrero struggled with which I didnt realise.

[Eff Pandas]

Am I looking too much into this?

Yes.

PBC shows A LOT of fights. You can pretty much pick a handful of them & makeup any story you want if you try just a lil bit.

I am a PBC fan & do think they are giving a high level of show for the amount of product they are putting out there & they are still keeping up with the industry leader (HBO) in putting on about 1 big elite fighter fight a month. And for being a product for only 7 months now I love the path they are on & I think they have already become 2nd to HBO in bringing quality to boxing. Still a very long way to go, but I'm impressed with what PBC has done & I think when/if they get Schaeffer (my hope) or some other guy figure heading PBC (instead of having Haymon & others running things from behind the scenes like a supervillain) things will just get better.

[Tom Cruise]

Yes.

PBC shows A LOT of fights. You can pretty much pick a handful of them & makeup any story you want if you try just a lil bit.
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That is true. Theres nothing scientific about how I have come to this. I just get the feeling that PBC events throw up quite a few upsets/ good performances from the underdog.

More than I see on HBO or Skysports in the UK at least.

Edit: I also wouldnt say thats just a handful of fights. All of those happened since the PBC debut in March

[The Big Dunn]

Is it just me or does there seem to be way more 'underdog' performances in the PBC than everywhere else.

We got two more last night with Martinez beating Alexander and well past prime underweight Montiel giving FW belt holder Lee Selby a great fight.

More off the top of my head,

Fonfara beating Chavez Jr
Alejandro Gonzalez Jr giving Frampton hell.
Chris Arreola getting a lucky draw vs Fred Kassi
Willy Nelson KOing Harrison
Ricky Burns (seemingly shot and in a division above his best) giving Figueroa a very tough night

Most of these were set up as showcase fights for the star to look good but ended up either being losses or very rough nights. Some can be put down to underestimating opponents (Fonfara is obviously not just an 'opponent') but the others were pretty clear underdogs.

Am I looking too much into this?

Its a case of Haymon actually matching guys in with tough guys that you and others just don't know about. Like Matts v Postol, a lot of people didn't know anything about Postol because he only fought on HBO once.

Since the guys Haymons top names fight have likely never been on HBO, very few know anything about them.

What is interesting is what happens after there is an upset. If an HBO guy gets upset-Nonito, Matts-posters talk about the quality of the guy that won. If a Haymon guy gets upset-the same posters talk about the lack of quality of the name guy.

If certain "fans" (not directed at you) would watch the sport outside of one network, they would get to know more about boxers like Postol or Martinez.

[Tom Cruise]

Amir Khan vs Algieri is another.

Algieri was supposed to be tailor made for Khans style, ended up a very competitive fight

[MDPopescu]

That is true. Theres nothing scientific about how I have come to this. I just get the feeling that PBC events throw up quite a few upsets/ good performances from the underdog.

More than I see on HBO or Skysports in the UK at least.

Edit: I also wouldnt say thats just a handful of fights. All of those happened since the PBC debut in March

Haymon has a huge stable and he is building a more than friendly business relationship with Hearn. Haymon's franchise isn't "belt-based", it is rather "brand-based"... Haymon is clearly targeting the U.K. market also.

[Tom Cruise]

Its a case of Haymon actually matching guys in with tough guys that you and others just don't know about. Like Matts v Postol, a lot of people didn't know anything about Postol because he only fought on HBO once.

Since the guys Haymons top names fight have likely never been on HBO, very few know anything about them.

What is interesting is what happens after there is an upset. If an HBO guy gets upset-Nonito, Matts-posters talk about the quality of the guy that won. If a Haymon guy gets upset-the same posters talk about the lack of quality of the name guy.

If certain "fans" (not directed at you) would watch the sport outside of one network, they would get to know more about boxers like Postol or Martinez.

I think Postol vs Matthysse was a pretty even fight going in, though i dont know the odds. A lot of people (including me) thought Postol would give Matts a tough night, even if I didnt realise quite how tough.

Some can be put down the Underdogs being better than percieved. Fonfara is a good fighter and a solid top 10 LHW. In retrospect Chavez JR should probably have been the underdog in that fight. Willie Nelson is also a pretty good fighter and it was Harrisons first step up.

Some of those guys though arent that good and are definitely worse than other opponents that the A-side has beaten