Comments Thread For: Klitschko: This Is The Right Time and Foe For U.S. Return

[kafkod]

Can I ask which Helenius knockout were you more impressed with?

Was it the "White Wolf" who tended to get knocked out on a regular basis, or was it the 260 pound fat pig known as Samuel Peter, or was it the half blind Lamont Brewster?

That would be the same Brewster that got dominated the fight before he fought Helenius by a fighter that preceded to go 2-11 after he beat Lamont. As far as the Helenius-Chisora fight was concerned it simply told me that the "Nordic Wet Dream" wasn't as good as advertised.

I find the second part of your statement to be laughable. Especially since it is coming from someone that values the alphabet rankings so highly.

And yes I know that Fury is ranked number three by the Ring. With that said it still doesn't change the fact that he hasn't fought a fellow Ring top ten fighter. It also doesn't change the fact that he only top ten Ring heavyweight fighter that hasn't done so.

By the way you were wrong about Perez. Simply because he is still ranked in Rings top ten and he is also ranked number two by the WBC. So, what top ten did he happen to fall out of after Bryant beat him? Or is it just you making stuff up while you ignore the facts?

I'm not going to get into analysing Helenius' resume. All I'm saying is that he was EU and inter-continental champ with 100% KOs and regarded by many as a possible future world champ when he fought Chisora.

We seem to have our wires crossed on the top 10 rankings issue.

You are still talking about Ring ****zine, but I was responding to a comment made by some-one else about the Boxrec top 10 when I said that Perez had dropped out after losing to Jennings.

So no, I didn't make anything up. Perez is no longer ranked in the top 10 by Boxrec, which was what I was talking about there.

Btw, Fury moved up 2 places from No 5 in the Ring's rankings after beating Chisora, so somebody over there must have thought it was a significant win, even if you don't.

[kafkod]

Clinching has nothing to do with leading with the forearm. What are you taking about ?

I'm saying that clinching is technically an illegal tactic in boxing, but accepted as an inevitable part of the sport.

Same thing with using the forearm to raise the opponents head in a clinche. It's technically illegal but happens all the time and refs just turn a blind eye to it.

It would have been ruled a NC had it have been pursued, rewatch the finish on youtube. Duva stated afterwards she intended too but for some unbeknown reason she did not, money talks and bull**** walks.

So the Irish Gypsies paid off Main Events and the NY State Athletic Commision? Yeah right!

[Jewish-Reptile]

I'm saying that clinching is technically an illegal tactic in boxing, but accepted as an inevitable part of the sport.

Same thing with using the forearm to raise the opponents head in a clinche. It's technically illegal but happens all the time and refs just turn a blind eye to it.



So the Irish Gypsies paid off Main Events and the NY State Athletic Commision? Yeah right!

He pinned USS against the ropes, forearm in face turning Steve's head into a hook. Their was no clinch, the referee then began a count for an illegal knockdown. Their is no manipulation of the event to suit an agenda, it just taints his best career win.

I never mentioned dishonest gypsies, you brought them up. I was insinuating Mick Hennessey and his cheque book.

[kafkod]

He pinned USS against the ropes, forearm in face turning Steve's head into a hook. Their was no clinch, the referee then began a count for an illegal knockdown. Their is no manipulation of the event to suit an agenda, it just taints his best career win.

I never mentioned dishonest gypsies, you brought them up. I was insinuating Mick Hennessey and his cheque book.

What you are describing there is something Chavez Sr would do 20 times in every round!

There's no need for far fetched explanations like Hennessey bribing people to explain why Cunningham didn't make an official complaint about it. Like I said, it's just accepted as part of the game.

If it was such a blatant foul, then why did Eddie Cotton, an American referee, start counting over Steve, the home-town fighter, instead of calling it there and then?

That had nothing to do with Hennessey's cheque book.

[Ravens Fan]

I'm not going to get into analysing Helenius' resume. All I'm saying is that he was EU and inter-continental champ with 100% KOs and regarded by many as a possible future world champ when he fought Chisora.

We seem to have our wires crossed on the top 10 rankings issue.

You are still talking about Ring ****zine, but I was responding to a comment made by some-one else about the Boxrec top 10 when I said that Perez had dropped out after losing to Jennings.

So no, I didn't make anything up. Perez is no longer ranked in the top 10 by Boxrec, which was what I was talking about there.

Btw, Fury moved up 2 places from No 5 in the Ring's rankings after beating Chisora, so somebody over there must have thought it was a significant win, even if you don't.

So you analyze Helenius only when you believe it benefits you and then blow it off when it doesn't? Okay I understand that. By the way Helenius was 16-0 with 11 knockouts when he fought Chisora so what is with the 100% knockouts??

As far as Boxrec is concerned they have Tarver ranked in the top ten so it makes me wonder what the hell they have been smoking over there. And yes I believe that the Ring, even with its own flaws, are the most legit rankings available.

As far as Tyson and the Ring rankings are concerned he could be ranked number one plus some and be ranked so high that he has his head stuck in Wlad's a$$. And guess what? It still wouldn't change the fact that he hasn't beaten a legit in his prime top ten ranked heavyweight. And regardless of how much his fans try to spin it you cannot change that. But I guess that as long as he gets a shot at Wlad none of that matters to him or his fans.

[kafkod]

So you analyze Helenius only when you believe it benefits you and then blow it off when it doesn't? Okay I understand that. By the way Helenius was 16-0 with 11 knockouts when he fought Chisora so what is with the 100% knockouts??

As far as Boxrec is concerned they have Tarver ranked in the top ten so it makes me wonder what the hell they have been smoking over there. And yes I believe that the Ring, even with its own flaws, are the most legit rankings available.

As far as Tyson and the Ring rankings are concerned he could be ranked number one plus some and be ranked so high that he has his head stuck in Wlad's a$$. And guess what? It still wouldn't change the fact that he hasn't beaten a legit in his prime top ten ranked heavyweight. And regardless of how much his fans try to spin it you cannot change that. But I guess that as long as he gets a shot at Wlad none of that matters to him or his fans.

I didn't analyse Helanius at all. You brought him into the discussion, not me. I just pointed out that he was a highly rated prospect when he fought Chisora and that the injury he sustained in that fight, and subsequent long lay-off, had a bad effect on his career.

And is there really any point me telling you, yet again, that Fury has beaten a legit top 10 contender, twice, and his name is Derek Chisora?

Whether Chisora was in the Ring top 10 at that time is irrelevent. The Ring is a ****ZINE, owned by a promotional company (GBP) NOT a sanctioning organisation. And I've noticed that most people at this forum tend to use their ratings the same way you are doing here - quote them when it suits - "Chisora isn't top 10 ten with the Ring" and call them "flawed" when it doesn't - they have Fury at No 3.

[Ravens Fan]

I didn't analyse Helanius at all. You brought him into the discussion, not me. I just pointed out that he was a highly rated prospect when he fought Chisora and that the injury he sustained in that fight, and subsequent long lay-off, had a bad effect on his career.

And is there really any point me telling you, yet again, that Fury has beaten a legit top 10 contender, twice, and his name is Derek Chisora?

Whether Chisora was in the Ring top 10 at that time is irrelevent. The Ring is a ****ZINE, owned by a promotional company (GBP) NOT a sanctioning organisation. And I've noticed that most people at this forum tend to use their ratings the same way you are doing here - quote them when it suits - "Chisora isn't top 10 ten with the Ring" and call them "flawed" when it doesn't - they have Fury at No 3.

I responding to someone else that mentioned him so I didn't drag Helenius anywhere. And considering the fact that you thought Helenius had 100% knockouts when he fought Chisora does prove that you don't analyze much of anything, you seem to be a big Boxrec fan so why don't you try using it?

As for the Ring rankings I have been looking at them for more than 40 years and that won't change anytime soon. And I bet if you took a poll most forum members, except you of course, as well as most boxing fans in general would agree that the Ring rankings have been the ones that have really counted.

So for you to think that a ratings system that has been around for over 90 years and has had a long and storied history is irrelevant is in my opinion ridiculous. It is almost as ridiculous as you suggesting that Oscar some how influences the Ring rankings. Simply because I believe Oscar has to much respect for the history of the Ring to do so.

With that said I also don't quote the Ring to suit my agenda. And I was actually wrong as one forum member pointed out. Because I gave Chisora to much credit because he was never ranked by the Ring.

In closing I will say that you also read to much into me using the word "flawed". Simply because it had noting to do with Chisora or Fury. I said it because Chagaev is ranked in the top ten again and that had me a little befuddled. Did Golden Boy possibly sign him? Just kidding. But hell even he has fought four Ring top ten ranked fighters in his day. And needless to say that is exactly four more then Fury has ever fought.

[brettWall]

Wilder is not in a hurry to defend his belt, I see.

[Jewish-Reptile]

Wilder is not in a hurry to defend his belt, I see.

Wilder vs Briggs is now brewing, could be fun. Klitschko can do some ringside stalking of his own for a change if that fights comes to fruition.