PBC Belts are in production

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Ok,can anyone explain to me how adding more belts would help with anything? I'm assuming that these belts are strictly for haymon fighters,and they won't be unified with the other belts. So basically are these "who's the best haymon fighter belts"?

That's true, but eventually he will attract all the major fighters,, maybe not this current crop of fighters, but in future generations like say the 2024 Olympians will be focused on PBC belts if Haymon succeeds...

For years the NIT was the major college tournament
For years the rose bowl was the biggest bowl in college football
For years the NWA belt was considered the world title in wrestling

All those have changed... Boxing is no different, and is in serious need of a makeover.. Haymon is trying to do just that

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I'm sure Haymon talked a good game to get his investment, he certainly must have a great talent for that in light of the purses he has been able to achieve for his fighters over recent years. We are far away from the 70s and 80s, that is one of the reasons i'm not that impressed by this move to terrestrial tv. I'm more impressed by the suggestion/rumour that Haymon might try and start his own streaming service for his fights as that sounds more in tune with the future than terrestial television. To me boxing will continue to be a niche sport, irrespective of what any promoter tries to do and that only intermittently, with a big enough star, will it generate any serious interest outside that and therefore generate big money.

The current state of boxing is stale and basically a joke, hence why networks and especially sponsors don't want anything to do with it...

Why would a network or sponsor care about hyping a fight (kovolev-adonis) if there is only a remote chance of it getting made... With the PBC model, similar to UFC, sponsor and networks are guaranteed tough matchmaking inside the PBC..
Sure for the first few years there will be fights that can't be made like fedor in ufc but once the first generation passes like it has with mma, there really isn't any superfights to make with guys outside of UFC.. Sure there is some fighters that deserve a crack in the ufc like Ben askren but it's not a must make fight like fedor was...

Study the history of wwe growing from a territory to a global company, as well as the UFC in mma...

Remember when people wanted wwe hogan vs nwa flair
Or UFC couture vs Pride fedor.

That was at the begining stages, and fast forward to the present era and no one outside the UFC or wwe that could command a superfight....

Same thing in boxing. If Haymon can secure is TV deal and keep signing talent, and keep paying top dollar compared to other promoters (which he already did before PBC) then there is no reason that he won't eventually take over..


All boxing was needing was structure.... Champions facing credible challengers you earned their shot.. Just like in UFC..
Haymon's PBC will provide a structure especially with there own belts, to draw ratings just UFC he will be forced to make compelling matchups...

[mike1010011]

That's true, but eventually he will attract all the major fighters,, maybe not this current crop of fighters, but in future generations like say the 2024 Olympians will be focused on PBC belts if Haymon succeeds...

For years the NIT was the major college tournament
For years the rose bowl was the biggest bowl in college football
For years the NWA belt was considered the world title in wrestling

All those have changed... Boxing is no different, and is in serious need of a makeover.. Haymon is trying to do just that

Ok,let's consider what you're saying about the future. Why would boxers prefer to fight for pbc belts,when there's at least 4 other belts out there,and their unification would give the fighter the title of "unified champion of the division"? Why would a pbc belt have more value than the wbc belt,or the wba belt? Does haymon just expect the organizations to just disappear,and the fighters who have rankings in those organizations to just drop their positions,and strive towards belts that where just made up? Your theory about the future might be true,but for now the belts would hold little to no value in the sport,and would be the definition of "paper belts".

[kiaba360]

I've been a big advocate of Haymon. I even looked the other way when he used legal trickery to play manager and promoter at the same time. However if he starts in as his own sanctioning body, now we're getting into UFC like territory. It's embarrassing enough when joke promotions like BKB introduce their own title belts, but if PBC is going down that road too, it's going to seriously hurt the fledgling credibility they have.

BKB is not traditional boxing though, so why can't it have its own belt? Having a PBC title looks ****** to anyone who's aware of the sanctioning bodies. As has already been stated, the belt could be a symbol of a much bigger plan.

I usually stay out of these "business" threads, but it has been pretty enjoyable to read all the comments.

At the end of the day, whatever has to be done for us to get consistently good cards, let it happen. Do I like this CW ******ity? hell no, but I understand why Haymon is doing it. Would I like to see one guy with all the belts? Yes, but good match-ups are more important. Belts do not have any inherent worth, a match-up doesn't suddenly lose value if it isn't for a title (i.e. Matthysse-Provodnikov).

[Dr Rumack]

I think his accent is great (listening to him cracks me up, and reading what he says doing his voice in my head is even better) and I am from middle America, I have talked to plenty of people who love that Arnold type accent.

"I wanted this to be professional, efficient, adult, cooperative. Not a lot to ask. Alas, your Mr. Lederman did not see it that way... so he won't be joining us for the rest of his life. We can go any way you want it. You can walk out of here or be carried out. But have no illusions. We are in charge. So, decide now, each of you. And please remember: we have left nothing to chance."

[Sugar Adam Ali]

This. I've literally never heard them even mention the other champions in their broadcasts. PBC doesn't have the best fighters in most divisions. This just feeds of the ignorance of casuals.

This is true, But the sanctioning bodies' belts are a joke.. They can't even make fights inside their own ratings.. At least PBC, much like Ufc will be able to match all their guys against each other...

Yes at the begining they won't have supremacy, but by the time Felix Verdejo and anthony Joshua are winding their careers, PBC should have the best talent in the game and looked at as number 1 place to go... They are the NBA, and all other promoters or sanctioning bodies would be looked at as like playing overseas instead of the NBA..

Across all sports, the key denominator for attracting the best talent and being considered the world class level of sports is money...
Mlb pays more than any baseball league
Nfl pays more than any football league
NBA pays more than any other league.
Do you think manny would rather play for the phillipino team he is on or an NBA team...

Haymon has already showed he pays better than any other promoter, and that he looks out for his fighters, that's why they all flock to him... To think he won't be able to attract every fighter once he has a TV deal is absurd... If he lands a TV deal, every fighter in the world will flock to him, just like every mma fighter dreams of being UFC champ, or how every basketball player dreams of being in the NBA..

[Sugar Adam Ali]

And Haymon has a pure as the driven snow reputation? PLEASE! The guy is the second coming of Don King.

Name a boxer he has ripped off...

Name a promoter that gets his guy paid more than Haymon does...

The higher you pay, the better talent you attract... Simple business concept, but I know you don't believe those can happen in boxing, where the rules of business doesn't apply..

[Sugar Adam Ali]

One of the things Haymon is missing at the moment is a front man, Haymon for whatever reason doesn't like to be in the public eye that is fine really but when the money man or the guy with the vision is like that they need a mouth to get that vision out to the public.

In short he needs his Dana White or HHH.

I agree, but maybe he doesn't want it to seem like the next don King or arum...

Go against the grain of you will

[Humean]

The current state of boxing is stale and basically a joke, hence why networks and especially sponsors don't want anything to do with it...

Why would a network or sponsor care about hyping a fight (kovolev-adonis) if there is only a remote chance of it getting made... With the PBC model, similar to UFC, sponsor and networks are guaranteed tough matchmaking inside the PBC..
Sure for the first few years there will be fights that can't be made like fedor in ufc but once the first generation passes like it has with mma, there really isn't any superfights to make with guys outside of UFC.. Sure there is some fighters that deserve a crack in the ufc like Ben askren but it's not a must make fight like fedor was...

Study the history of wwe growing from a territory to a global company, as well as the UFC in mma...

Remember when people wanted wwe hogan vs nwa flair
Or UFC couture vs Pride fedor.

That was at the begining stages, and fast forward to the present era and no one outside the UFC or wwe that could command a superfight....

Same thing in boxing. If Haymon can secure is TV deal and keep signing talent, and keep paying top dollar compared to other promoters (which he already did before PBC) then there is no reason that he won't eventually take over..


All boxing was needing was structure.... Champions facing credible challengers you earned their shot.. Just like in UFC..
Haymon's PBC will provide a structure especially with there own belts, to draw ratings just UFC he will be forced to make compelling matchups...

These tv networks don't want anything to do with it because they have been priced out of it by premium cable. I don't think WWE is a good comparison as the WWE is really a string of events in a relatively small universe and it isn't actually a sport. UFC is more what boxing might have developed into if history had been different but that boat was sailed a long ago. I like the idea of boxing becoming centralized and formed into a proper single entity but I do not like that being done by a promoter.

[285Kid]

Floyd Mayweather will be on the only Al Haymon fighter in 2016 to keep his belts, All other Haymon' guys dropping those WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO belts for the PBC belts