Is Ray Robinson really "TBE"? How u know if none of you were alive back then..

[dan-b]

Wlad was 40 in 2015 and only fought once more after that.

So what if wilder didnt fight him he also isnt going to be put into the top 20 ATG of heavyweight or even the top 30. So that is accounted for in his rankings. But you got top 5 and top 10 ranked guys who fought a massive list of padded bums on their records.

Okay, but then it becomes a value judgement, does it not? You and others seem to have swallowed this idea that elite fighters can only fight twice a year at most these days. If Mayweather had been fighting five times a year it would exponentially have increased the likelihood of him picking up a loss, then where would he stand? Are you similarly impressed with Calzaghe? I'm not, he's the archetypal sanctioning body belt holder the modern era is replete with.

[lopetego]

What did you expect

tons of people name Harry Greb as one of the top 3 or top 5 ATGs

and there's absolutely NO FOOTAGE of this guy ever fighting anyone

ridiculous.

people put a lot of weight on records and the opinions of boxing historians

[Ascended]

What did you expect

tons of people name Harry Greb as one of the top 3 or top 5 ATGs

and there's absolutely NO FOOTAGE of this guy ever fighting anyone

ridiculous.

people put a lot of weight on records and the opinions of boxing historians

They hype up Johnson to looks horrible same as the louis era compared to 70s-now

[Ascended]

Based on:

1) His win-loss record
2) The quality of the opponents he beat
3) The film that is available
4) The opinions of knowledgeable boxing people who saw him and saw those who came after

And all the people he fought never would make pro in 70s and on video he looks horrible compared your hyping up a inferior fighter your nuts

70s had people who had way less fights with skilled fighters that's way more impressive then fighting all trash like Ray who as I said never would make pro in 70s your a idiot

[hugh grant]

SRR is one of the goats as if you fought his career you'd have 20 losses, more than him anyway.
You can't be GOaT with 50 fights, unless you braking records left, right and centre. Like Pac did with 8 divisions titles, longevity records etc

[Incapable]

- IF WE ACTUALLY NEVER SEEN THE FIGHTER FIGHT THEN, HE AINT TBE TO ME --- My great grandfather told me he was good should I believe tall tales and *****
I can watch every fight MIKE Tyson had and at age 19 he destroyed almost every top heavy weight and since I can rewatch it and watch IMMA say he's ****ing great --- I can only see a hand full off Robinson ---- he's great to my great grandfather but not to me..sorry.

U guys can't name 5 greats he's fought and 5 of those U won't be able to me their legacy traits --- why cause u don't know robinsons greatness except what old timers say..
The only greats U should be talking about is people U can actually say U seen but if u ain't seen it UR going off another dudes word of mouth play --- make your own mind up instead of what old histtorians say

You are truly a man of.. Words fail

[hhh1200]

I guess there enough people around to know the current TBE probably wouldn't survive Hearns and Leonard (dismantled his dad with same type, bigger, more power and no brittle hands). Now, we can work with everyone before him.

[BodyBagz]

Okay, but then it becomes a value judgement, does it not? You and others seem to have swallowed this idea that elite fighters can only fight twice a year at most these days. If Mayweather had been fighting five times a year it would exponentially have increased the likelihood of him picking up a loss, then where would he stand? Are you similarly impressed with Calzaghe? I'm not, he's the archetypal sanctioning body belt holder the modern era is replete with.

IMHO,

NO ONE fights 3 or more QUALITY guys a year.
In the days of SRR, MFers were fighting 1 decent guy and 10 bartenders and short order cooks a year.

People cry when guys like May don't fight ''prime'' guys yet hail a guy from way back for fighting 10x a year !!!
Talk about padding the resume.

Modern fighters are superior than those of the prohibition era.
Bigger, faster, stronger, more technically sound.....

[BodyBagz]

SRR is one of the goats as if you fought his career you'd have 20 losses, more than him anyway.
You can't be GOaT with 50 fights, unless you braking records left, right and centre. Like Pac did with 8 divisions titles, longevity records etc

Looking over his resume....so many of his opponents had obviously padded stats.

Some that stand out more than the others -
Luc van Dam...89 wins
Bobby Dykes 71 wins
Jose Basora 77 wins
George Costner 70 wins
Steve Belloise 90 wins
Young Gene Buffalo 113 wins - MUST BE an ATG
Sammy Angott 78 wins
Maxie Berger 74 wins
Carl Guggino 114 wins - MUST BE an ATG
Joe Ghnouly 74 wins



SRR had 179 Ws
How many were vs legit opponents and can a MFer be honest

[dan-b]

IMHO,

NO ONE fights 3 or more QUALITY guys a year.
In the days of SRR, MFers were fighting 1 decent guy and 10 bartenders and short order cooks a year.

People cry when guys like May don't fight ''prime'' guys yet hail a guy from way back for fighting 10x a year !!!
Talk about padding the resume.

Modern fighters are superior than those of the prohibition era.
Bigger, faster, stronger, more technically sound.....

If someone fights as little as once a year is it too much to expect them to fight the very best available opponent? You use scare-quotes around the word prime as if it's dubious terminology but I could do the same to your 'quality' designation.

Other than the fact he made a lot of money and stayed undefeated, I am just not that impressed with Mayweather. No Williams, Margarito or Cotto at 147 so when one looks behind the hype it's a little underwhelming.

Four belts per weight class, many of which are unnecessary junior classes, so these modern guys can go years without fighting anyone of note. Gervonta Davis being a prime example. Lots of excuses are forgiven by modern fans for fights not happening too ("he's the A-side, bruh").

Relatively speaking, I don't see the modern era as being much better and in some ways it's far worse in terms of promotional politics and the social media clown show.