Is Boxing the only Sport that has not Improved over the Years?

[JasonBoxing]

So true.

I don't think we appreciate the current boxers, but ever generation has done the same.

Thinking boxing is at a low point and it was a golden age in the past.

You pick and choose my posts. Let's do this in a way that you can't 'pick and choose'.
You say this generation is >than the last right?

Ok.

Football:
Messi/Ronaldo vs Brazilian Ronaldo/Zidane.

I will give the edge to Messi/RON but it's very close.

Now that we are done with that elite tier. Let's go to the 2nd tier.

Aguero/Costa/Zlatan/Muller/Robben/Ribery/Fabregas/Van Persie/ and all these other guys within that tier

vs

Ronaldinho/Sheva/Henry/Figo/Totti/Young Lampard/Young Gerrard/Ballack/Beckham/Raul/Ruud/Roberto Carlos/Puyol/

how do THEY stack up?


Are you saying that Aguero/Costa is >than Henry/Ruud?
Aguero/Costa are the two best strikers in the PL right now. How do THEY stack up against Prime Henry/Ruud?


Messi/CR7 are freaks of nature and two of the greatest of all times. You can't just take the top 2 and pretend that defines an era. It don't.




Now we go into Boxing.
Lewis vs Wlad can cancel each other out, even though we both know that Lewis would brutally shatter Wlad. But let's just pretend they are equal.

Holyfield/Bowe/Prime Mercer/Ike/Tyson would bring up the next tier against who?
Pulev/Povetkin/Wilder/Jennings/and who? Perez? Lol. Arreloa?

Even if Wlad cancels out Lewis.............the next tier would murder today's heavys.


RJJ/BENN/MCCELLAN/EUBANK/CALZAGHE/TONEY
vs

Ward/Froch/Kessler/Dirrel

let's see today's SMW'S do well against the older ones.

RJJ and Toney alone would wipe out every single MW-LHW with the exception of Ward/GGG/KOVALEV..........All three of them would still lose but at least win maybe 3-4 rounds each.



You might not know much about basketball. But you do know numbers.


Prime Shaq 30PPG
Prime Dwight 20 PPG




Figure it out.

Shaq would literally manhandle Dwight.


OLD KOBE BRYANT back in 2012 was still considered a top 5 player. That was already an old slow ass 2012 Kobe. Imagine 2003 Kobe.



EVEN if you are so stubborn and decide that today's generation is indeed better. You still have to at least admit that the likes of Henry/Zidane/Ronaldo/Ronaldinho/Lennox/Holyfield/Tyson would do very very very well today.

[D4thincarnation]

You pick and choose my posts. Let's do this in a way that you can't 'pick and choose'.
You say this generation is >than the last right?

Ok.

Football:
Messi/Ronaldo vs Brazilian Ronaldo/Zidane.

I will give the edge to Messi/RON but it's very close.

Now that we are done with that elite tier. Let's go to the 2nd tier.

Aguero/Costa/Zlatan/Muller/Robben/Ribery/Fabregas/Van Persie/ and all these other guys within that tier

vs

Ronaldinho/Sheva/Henry/Figo/Totti/Young Lampard/Young Gerrard/Ballack/Beckham/Raul/Ruud/Roberto Carlos/Puyol/

how do THEY stack up?


Are you saying that Aguero/Costa is >than Henry/Ruud?
Aguero/Costa are the two best strikers in the PL right now. How do THEY stack up against Prime Henry/Ruud?


Messi/CR7 are freaks of nature and two of the greatest of all times. You can't just take the top 2 and pretend that defines an era. It don't.




Now we go into Boxing.
Lewis vs Wlad can cancel each other out, even though we both know that Lewis would brutally shatter Wlad. But let's just pretend they are equal.

Holyfield/Bowe/Prime Mercer/Ike/Tyson would bring up the next tier against who?
Pulev/Povetkin/Wilder/Jennings/and who? Perez? Lol. Arreloa?

Even if Wlad cancels out Lewis.............the next tier would murder today's heavys.


RJJ/BENN/MCCELLAN/EUBANK/CALZAGHE/TONEY
vs

Ward/Froch/Kessler/Dirrel

let's see today's SMW'S do well against the older ones.

RJJ and Toney alone would wipe out every single MW-LHW with the exception of Ward/GGG/KOVALEV..........All three of them would still lose but at least win maybe 3-4 rounds each.



You might not know much about basketball. But you do know numbers.


Prime Shaq 30PPG
Prime Dwight 20 PPG




Figure it out.

Shaq would literally manhandle Dwight.


OLD KOBE BRYANT back in 2012 was still considered a top 5 player. That was already an old slow ass 2012 Kobe. Imagine 2003 Kobe.



EVEN if you are so stubborn and decide that today's generation is indeed better. You still have to at least admit that the likes of Henry/Zidane/Ronaldo/Ronaldinho/Lennox/Holyfield/Tyson would do very very very well today.

You are using athletes from 2000s and comparing them to now. A very short time period.

Look at it over the last 150 years. And you will see a gradual rise year by year.

[JasonBoxing]

You are using athletes from 2000s and comparing them to now. A very short time period.

Look at it over the last 150 years. And you will see a gradual rise year by year.

Boxing HAVE evolved, but it have regressed since the 90's and early 2000's. That was my point. So there isn't a 'gradual rise', there have been time periods when it actually regressed. How can you possibly claim that the likes of Kubrat Pulev and Carl Froch are the 'next step' in boxing evolution compared to say Evander Holyfield or Prime James Toney? It's absurd.

[D4thincarnation]

Boxing HAVE evolved, but it have regressed since the 90's and early 2000's. That was my point. So there isn't a 'gradual rise', there have been time periods when it actually regressed. How can you possibly claim that the likes of Kubrat Pulev and Carl Froch are the 'next step' in boxing evolution compared to say Evander Holyfield or Prime James Toney? It's absurd.

Try and judge like for like

Is Mayweather/Pacquiao better than Whitaker/Chavez?


But just to make sure, you think boxing has evolved all the way and then suddenly stopped in the 90s and now is going backwards?

[Suckmedry]

Boxing gyms are all over the world now, with more fighters turning pro.

Those old tricks don't work as well and there are new tricks and counter tactics these days.

Gloves are more padded these days more protection but we still have some devasting punchers.

If they wore old 6oz horse hair gloves, everyone would be murderous punchers.

Your a fcking imbecile. Please explain how the old school techniques, like rolling, countering, inside fighting, dont work as well? Ward and Floyd BOTH employ these tactics and dominate everyone they fight.

A fat old 5''10 James Toney stood right in front of a 240lb Sam peter and got ripped off in the first fight. Why? because he rolls off everything, leads you into counters and stays relaxed. You just dont know what your talking about.

[D4thincarnation]

Your a fcking imbecile. Please explain how the old school techniques, like rolling, countering, inside fighting, dont work as well? Ward and Floyd BOTH employ these tactics and dominate everyone they fight.

A fat old 5''10 James Toney stood right in front of a 240lb Sam peter and got ripped off in the first fight. Why? because he rolls off everything, leads you into counters and stays relaxed. You just dont know what your talking about.

And he was taking illegal sups

And if fighter are using them today, then they really have not died out have they.

And Sam Peter is hardly great.

Like to see Toney used those techniques against Wlad, Vitali or even Haye.

[Suckmedry]

And he was taking illegal sups

And if fighter are using them today, then they really have not died out have they.

And Sam Peter is hardly great.

Like to see Toney used those techniques against Wlad, Vitali or even Haye.

Toney didn't test positive after that fight. Plus it was his SKILL that kept him in that fight.

Very few fighters use them. and the ones that do are on top? coincidence?

Your too ****** to deal with. The point is that a fat former MW could compete with some big strong HWs because of those old school skills. An average fighter couldn't do that...etc etc blah blah I'm done with you go jerk off Elroy and talk about "facts"

[D4thincarnation]

Toney didn't test positive after that fight. Plus it was his SKILL that kept him in that fight.

Very few fighters use them. and the ones that do are on top? coincidence?

Your too ****** to deal with. The point is that a fat former MW could compete with some big strong HWs because of those old school skills. An average fighter couldn't do that...etc etc blah blah I'm done with you go jerk off Elroy and talk about "facts"

Easy to look good when you in against poor opposition.

Berto like to use some old school moves as well. How does that work out for him

A 12 stone Cooper sparked out Ali luckily the bell saved him.

A good fighter is a good fighter.

These moves have not died out, and in the past not everyone used them.

[Elroy1]

LOL I love it how the nut bags once cornered slip on their asses badly...

James Toney was roided to the gills, that's how he competed at HW. Sure he had great skills but no matter how great he could not have stepped into the same ring as Peter w/o them.

James Toney was a modern fighter, not an old school fighter. A modern fighters skillset, by definition, includes everything and anything developed throughout the ENTIRE history of boxing! If it was developed in say, 1920, and survived to now, it is modern. If it was developed in 1920, and deemed ineffective now, it was "oldschool".

By definition, the only tehniques that are "old school" are the ones that NO LONGER WORK. Because if they did, we'd still use them today and they'd be modern!

Same as boxers, every era of trainers gets better and better from generation to generation because they build upon the knowledge and techniques of all who came before.

Rid**** Bowe's only real good opponent was HW record 26-10 Evander Holyfield 205-215lbs. Although I rank him highly and view him as a great opponent for Povetkin, there is really no proof that Bowe could beat Povetkin.

In fact, most of the evidence shows that Povetkin would probably have busted him up badly.

And in any case, I think it's amusing, we are talking about vintage eras and the only one some smart ass above an legitimately bring up is the 90's!

- A recent era (90's) with similarly hefty (average 220lb) opponents

That can be a thread in itself! But even if the 90's WAS better, what about cruiser bum eras like the 70's and before?

From the inception of CW in the early 80's which coincided with the athletic revolution in boxing and backwards, we see a steep decline the further back we go..

The athletes got cruiseier and lighter.. And the divisions became increasingly riddled with bums!

And nostalgics seriously have the nerve to call a time the "golden era" when a chinny, featherfisted, fat, punch bag, handicapped bum dwarf was a HW champ and gold medallist? GTFOOH!

[Elroy1]

Easy to look good when you in against poor opposition.

Berto like to use some old school moves as well. How does that work out for him

A 12 stone Cooper sparked out Ali luckily the bell saved him.

A good fighter is a good fighter.

These moves have not died out, and in the past not everyone used them.

Ha, I forgot about that. The HW champ.. sparked out by a LHW bum. And later, thoroughly outboxed by a green cruiser bum again.

Pathetic! Absolutely pathetic!