Is Boxing the only Sport that has not Improved over the Years?

[Elroy1]

Stop going off the specific point I address. You said this was the punching bag era. Please prove it wrong.

I'm not here to talk about how good Benton was.

You say you can quantify all these things, but you're not putting up any numbers aside from what even a 5th grader can pull out from reading boxing records. You didn't study tape on any of these bums, neither did I. So why are you calling them bums anyways? Formulating opinions on complete bullshit. Benton was trained by Eddie Futch.

I don't care for who trained him. The proof will be in the pudding.

No, I didn't see the fights vs the bums but I know the ones mentioned were because I checked there records. Problem is, bum fights from that far back are seldom uploaded. In the absence of film, we need to go to the record because it's all we have.

There were no compubox back then so we don't have punch stats but I will tell you how we would quantify it. We would watch the fight and score it like compilers do. It would be a difficult task to do given the quality of the film and take us all night. We would then compare it with modern fighters and see how good there defence was. I'm telling you this simply to show how it's quantified.

But all I'm gonna tell you is from what I saw, I can speak somewhat confidently that he got hit more often than a modern defensive boxer. He didn't make his opponent pay as much either. And he showed far less movement of legs, body and head as well.

And I presented his record highlighting some questionable aspects to signify that he was OBVIOUSLY not what his tribute claimed him to be, proven by facts.

It was a tribute made by nostalgists, FOR nostalgists.

If boxing still looked like that, nobody would watch it! Fact!

[SlySlickSmooth]

You're talking to Elroy1. Stop taking those posts seriously, and certainly don't expect any actual debate. Come on, you should see it by now.

I need to sleep. This weed at 4am is making **** too serious.

[FeFist]

Boxing tests toughness to a greater degree than other sports e.g. Holmes vs Shavers and Klitschko vs Brewster.

You look at most of the highly rated fighters, but for their toughness they wouldn't be where they are.

[SlySlickSmooth]

But all I'm gonna tell you is from what I saw, I can speak somewhat confidently that he got hit more often than a modern defensive boxer. He didn't make his opponent pay as much either. And he showed far less movement of legs, body and head as well.

I actually agree with you here. Benton wasn't as active as Broner.

Broner throws really fast combinations off his slick shoulder roll.

[Elroy1]

I actually agree with you here. Benton wasn't as active as Broner.

Broner throws really fast combinations off his slick shoulder roll.

Well now I can't tell whether your taking the piss or not.

Obviously I would take a look at Broner highlights (which I have) and declare them slightly more impressive than brick foot Benton's tribute.

It seems as if I am straight out biased against old timers but that's a confusion of cause and effect, I reached my overall positions BECAUSE of this extremely high correlation I observed. And it also falls in line with common sense.

[DonSimon87]

Could you imagine in today's boxing if we had 15 rounds and one belt per division? Damn that's such a beautiful thought.

[bojangles1987]

Could you imagine in today's boxing if we had 15 rounds and one belt per division? Damn that's such a beautiful thought.

I don't mind 12 rounds instead of 15. Boxing's rough, less rounds means less of a toll on the boxers.

One belt, though? That'd be great. Even two would be cool, one for the real champ and one for everyone else to compete for that eventually leads to fights with the real champ, and gives someone else a claim if the real champ starts ducking.

[BattlingNelson]

I cannot think of any other sport that has not improved.

[crazed_z06]

Baseball has declined over the years. It's losing popularity. Part of the reason is it suffers from the issues that Boxing has. Boxing is kind of a "classsic" sport. It refuses to evolve. Part of the reason the Pac/Fraud hasnt happened yet is this Floyd's antiquated insistence on this "A Side/B Side" dichotomy.

While there's lots of money to be made in boxing and there a certainly big names, the people involved appear to be small time thinkers. There is so much more money to be made if people could get past their egos and personal problems and just do business.

[Dagomba]

Whoever doesn't think Boxing has evolved in all aspects needs to get smacked on the damn face.