Mayweather is better than Marquez, but will do much worst against Pacquaio.

[JasonBoxing]

This is an old November 2011 post of mine from bf24. Stop copying ****.

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[TRTboy]

It's the mentally. Marquez and mayweather have totally different mindsets in the ring. Marquez is an offensive counter puncher while mayweather is very defensive.

Marquez threw accurate combinations when pac was throwing his own combinations. Mayweather's 1st instinct when he gets attacked is to cover up or shoulder roll and then he works his counters 1 shot at a time when he knows there;s no risk. Against a fast combination puncher like pac with quick feet he will find it hard to come out of that shell if he lets pac get off first.

[TRTboy]

“Ever since I watch Floyd Mayweather he gives you a defense where he locks up. And a lot of the time obviously it works for Floyd. Floyd is very hard to hit, regardless of the fact. But I always thought that somebody with fast hands – that throws punches in bunches and throws them in flurries – might not land on Floyd – because he locks up so well – he has the ability to leave Floyd there.”

Malignaggi’s analysis starts to fascinate. “And what I mean by that is, move your hands, step out, you leave him there. Throw punches, step out. Before you know it, Floyd, if he’s giving you all this, he never gets the chance to get back off. Because you’re in and out. And that costs you rounds. Through the course of Mayweather’s career, he’s always been faster than most of his opponents. But the fast guys that he did fight did show glimpses of it. Oscar showed glimpses of that. Zab Judah showed glimpses of that – that you can do that to Floyd. The problem is you very rarely will hit him clean. So I think these guys get frustrated and get away from that. But in the meantime, what they don’t realize is that they’re probably winning rounds because Floyd is not getting off. Pacquiao doesn’t have to change anything about himself. He fights that way naturally.” - Paulie Malignaggi.

Malignaggi says it best here.

[FightingWords]

I wrote a well thought out technical summary with not one word of trolling or insult in it. At least take the 5 minutes of your precious time to read it over once and countering it with an actual opinion.

It shocks and sickens me that you have this many posts. I have come to realize a lot of posters here can get up to 4000+ posts without actually talking once about boxing's technical aspects. Prove my opinion sucks by thoughtfully writing out a informative and eye opening paragraph to counter mine. Or you can simply post a 'DID NOT READ' gif. That seem to be more suited to your particular levels of boxing intellect.

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[MayMosPeaHop]

what about cotto, or maidana? they are short, did he treat them like little kids?

and i think pacquiao's style is a little more similar to those two(cotto esspecially being a left hand dominant fighter), dont you think? why compare pacquiao with jmm?

No, I do not think so. My statement was , "FMJ treats shorter fighters that fight at distance like little kids." Maidana does not fight well from distance and did not try to fight FMJ that way. Cotto is a above average boxer, but Cotto did not try to fight FMJ from distance. He tried to close the space(cut the ring off) by keeping a tight defense and jabbing in, plus using his weight advantage. Manny cannot fight that way. I am comparing there(JMM/Manny) relative size, which is comparative. Especially against a fighter like FMJ who will use his reach and length against Manny. Manny has quick feet, but he will not be the only one if they fight. There was a video that was out last week on HBO with Virgil Hill on how to fight Manny. I think FMJ will deploy that strategy along with Marquez's strategy if they ever fight.

[Rath]

maidana and pac man are 2 different fighters brother i wouldnt lean on maidanas sucssess to judge how well pac will do. i also think people underestimate maidana with garcia as his trainer

Pac and JMM are 2 different fighters brother, I would not lean on Floyd's success against JMM to judge how well Floyd will do against Pac.

[MayMosPeaHop]

“Ever since I watch Floyd Mayweather he gives you a defense where he locks up. And a lot of the time obviously it works for Floyd. Floyd is very hard to hit, regardless of the fact. But I always thought that somebody with fast hands – that throws punches in bunches and throws them in flurries – might not land on Floyd – because he locks up so well – he has the ability to leave Floyd there.”

Malignaggi’s analysis starts to fascinate. “And what I mean by that is, move your hands, step out, you leave him there. Throw punches, step out. Before you know it, Floyd, if he’s giving you all this, he never gets the chance to get back off. Because you’re in and out. And that costs you rounds. Through the course of Mayweather’s career, he’s always been faster than most of his opponents. But the fast guys that he did fight did show glimpses of it. Oscar showed glimpses of that. Zab Judah showed glimpses of that – that you can do that to Floyd. The problem is you very rarely will hit him clean. So I think these guys get frustrated and get away from that. But in the meantime, what they don’t realize is that they’re probably winning rounds because Floyd is not getting off. Pacquiao doesn’t have to change anything about himself. He fights that way naturally.” - Paulie Malignaggi.

Malignaggi says it best here.

I agree with that to a extent. Usually, the problem with that is after 4 rounds, the opposite fighter slows down because they have thrown so many punches and it is not like FMJ has not been hitting them. FMJ usually gets in a lot of body work early in fights.

[MayMosPeaHop]

To me, Manny's best gameplan for the win is to take the gas off the pedal and become a counter puncher. Set a trap and hit FMJ with something big. Try to get him out early. No your limitations. Manny's jab is weak. So bait FMJ to counter that jab and then attack. I honestly do not believe Manny has the patience to fight someone like FMJ and win, but if Arum finally has the heart to make the fight. We will see.

[Rath]

What a disgusting rancid post this is.

he always does that he choke a lot every time there is an intelligent conversation going on here.

[TRTboy]

I agree with that to a extent. Usually, the problem with that is after 4 rounds, the opposite fighter slows down because they have thrown so many punches and it is not like FMJ has not been hitting them. FMJ usually gets in a lot of body work early in fights.

Yeah but pac's stamina one of the best in the game. And like malignaggi said pac fights like that naturally. Guys like de la hoya or judah had success when they threw combinations but those two easily got discouraged after getting hit with counters because they weren't naturally offensive minded fighter and they've always been known to fade and which they did against mayweather, Pac doesn't and pac has one of the strongest minds in the sport. He won't get discouraged by mayweather's potshots.

Pac just has to be himself. I'm telling you pac's style is all wrong for mayweather and they know it or else they would have fought pac a long time ago.