Thurman Turns Down $6 Million Dollars Deals With Roc Nation

[radioraheem]

If he can't get the four fights, he doesn't get the $6 million; are there 4 welterweight fights that you see Roc Nation being able to make for Thurman? I don't think so, which is where the pause is coming from.

If Roc Nation were smart they'd just be chasing after top amateurs (Devin Haney is an interesting one, imo); get a couple of them and show that they have the structure to actually build someone up the way that they hype.

Here is someone that gets it. That contract is not guaranteed money as it seems. Roc Nation would have to put him up against another fighter in a marketable match-up. Making boxing matches is not an easy thing, and making a profitable one isn't easy either. Thurman could easily sit on the shelf for a year, or end up just having one fight.

And I agree, Roc Nation should be pursuing upcoming prospects and building them up. That way they have a stronger foothold in the future. A lot less drama that way as well. But instead their focus is on pursuing the divas of boxing. It's kind of backwards.

[paulf]

Cant blame him; he's making good money and progressing in his career nicely under Haymon, even if Haymon is the god damned devil.

These fighters aren't the morons you guys think they are. Look what happened to all the guys who jumped ship from legit promoters over to 50 Cent's stable. ****ing disaster.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Let Jay sign some solid guys without a ton of name value yet and hook them up with good fights first.

[Kagami Taiga]

Roc Nation has yet to promote an even or make a fight. And most of the fighters Thurman wants to fight are with Haymon. Why should he sign with Roc Nation? I can't blame him.

[Black Barty]

Here is someone that gets it. That contract is not guaranteed money as it seems. Roc Nation would have to put him up against another fighter in a marketable match-up. Making boxing matches is not an easy thing, and making a profitable one isn't easy either. Thurman could easily sit on the shelf for a year, or end up just having one fight.

And I agree, Roc Nation should be pursuing upcoming prospects and building them up. That way they have a stronger foothold in the future. A lot less drama that way as well. But instead their focus is on pursuing the divas of boxing. It's kind of backwards.

If Roc Nation was contractually obligated to pay him 6 mill, I'm pretty sure it would mean he got paid 6 mill. What's so risky about that?

Roc Nation would be happy to finally be able to put shows on. I highly doubt they would sign Thurman just to put him on the self for a year. And since they are apparently willing to throw money around, I'm sure they would be able to convince some decent name opponents to fight Thurman.

Btw if Thurman turned down the offer because he hopes to land the Floyd payday, it was a ****** decision. Floyd has 2 fights left, and Thurman doesn't seem to be in the running for the next one. That leaves one Floyd fight, and what are the chances of Thurman getting it? Well under 50% and I'm being generous.

[MrRolltide91]

Roc Nation has yet to promote an even or make a fight. And most of the fighters Thurman wants to fight are with Haymon. Why should he sign with Roc Nation? I can't blame him.

Good point

[radioraheem]

If Roc Nation was contractually obligated to pay him 6 mill, I'm pretty sure it would mean he got paid 6 mill. What's so risky about that?

Roc Nation would be happy to finally be able to put shows on. I highly doubt they would sign Thurman just to put him on the self for a year. And since they are apparently willing to throw money around, I'm sure they would be able to convince some decent name opponents to fight Thurman.

Btw if Thurman turned down the offer because he hopes to land the Floyd payday, it was a ****** decision. Floyd has 2 fights left, and Thurman doesn't seem to be in the running for the next one. That leaves one Floyd fight, and what are the chances of Thurman getting it? Well under 50% and I'm being generous.

And here is someone STILL not getting it.

The risk is that Roc Nation may not actually put on a fight for him, so that he can get paid that money. Roc Nation can't just put him up against anyone and make it profitable because Thurman isn't that kind of star yet. There is no guarantee that Roc Nation will put on the fights for him and all within one year especially. Thurman only gets paid pending them making the fights. So he would be at their mercy.

Whereas right now, Thurman is his own boss of sorts. He's a Free Agent.

[firstborn]

Cant blame him; he's making good money and progressing in his career nicely under Haymon, even if Haymon is the god damned devil.

These fighters aren't the morons you guys think they are. Look what happened to all the guys who jumped ship from legit promoters over to 50 Cent's stable. ****ing disaster.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Let Jay sign some solid guys without a ton of name value yet and hook them up with good fights first.

Whoa, hasn't anyone told you that common sense is not allowed here!

Didn't you know that every boxer must listen to the hypocritical, contradicting statements of the brilliant boxing fans on this site.

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Keith Thurman acts like he's a bad man & will fight anyone, but we all know he's Al Haymon's *****.

[Citizen Koba]

I guess we'll see what happens in 2015 when it seems like Haymons 'masterplan' is gonna be unveiled, but 2014 hasn't been a good year for a number of members of Haymons stable.

I don't trust Al worth a damn but I could say that about other promoters or managers too... what will be disappointing is if takes a gamble with all the talent at his disposal and drops the ball.

These guys are missing out on lucrative deals and as yet many of them aren't getting the fights, the fame or the money which they all seem sure is coming to them.

Funny to see people criticise Roc Nation for trying to sign guys that already have some fame or at least momentum when that's exactly the strategy GBP/ SHO employed though.

I suspect if it gets going they'll try to establish a mixture of both prospects and stars but realistically they need at least a few big names that they can build events round.

[Weebler I]

Thurman couldn't accept this deal even if he wanted to. There was a media piece on Haymon's contract a while back, the fighters effectively hand him full control and can't negotiate without him.

So there's no actual Haymon ban at HBO.

The Haymon reluctance seems to be related to signing long term agreements with HBO. Dan Rafael said "a" fight though. As in one fight, unless there's more to it and Rafael didn't get the full details. Otherwise, don't see why Haymon wouldn't want more dates on a high profile network.

Haymon didn't even want purse bid fights on HBO. I expect this Roc nation deal would have set purses which would bypass Haymon's ability to squeeze the network for bigger purses as he loves to do. That's the only thing that gives him an edge over other "managers", and without it, he's shot.

Can anyone verify this? I remember reading somewhere that Jay-Z and Haymon have some long-standing beef over a business dispute Beyonce and Al had back when Al was still in the music industry.

Allegedly, Haymon tried (or succeeded) in getting Beyonce's father to sign all her power over to him. He's a snake.

I do see where he's coming from. They throwing money around but haven't proven they'll make the right moves or make a star. But damn somebody needs to take that money and run. *** gbp

What's it got to do with GBP you moron. Roc, TR and GBP are all on the HBO side of the street anyway. Doors will likely re-open with Showtime when they get right of the Schaefer/Haymon mole Espinoza.

If he gets by Bundu, Lopez, Maidana, and gets the Mayweather fight, win or lose, he's easily made $5m-$8m, while also still having the freedom to negotiate a longer term deal, after being showcased on four major shows, for even bigger money.

Stop, he's not getting the Mayweather fight and he knows it.

Its not up to Thurman anyways

He probably knew Haymon was gonna turn it down anyways so there was no point in dragging it out

This.