Comments Thread For: Jessie Vargas 'No Coward,' Joins The Fight Against PEDs

[TheSurgeonMDMPH]

What does Mayweather have to do with random year-round testing and/or VADA? About as much as he still has to do with Jessie Vargas' career.

Since this article is about Jessie Vargas, and fighters enrolled in year-round testing, no Mayweather does not get a mention.

Funny you mention him, though. He no longer forces the issue with random drug-testing with his opponents, as if the whole thing was to save face for the failed negotiaitons with Pacquiao - lasted long enough to make it seem as if he takes a stance.

He has NEVER demanded his own fighters submit to random testing - I even asked Floyd, Ellerbe and Schaefer on the subject back when he first enrolled in USADA (and when Vargas was still fighting for Mayweather Promotions), and got nothing but stutters and non-answers in response. Even after his fighters were popped, still nothing. In fact, he parades around J'Leon Love as the future of the sport, without holding him to any kind of standards.

Even back then, Vargas was on record saying he was willing to submit to random testing. Now that he has a belt, he's willing to lead by example. Nobody would notice if he didn't enroll, so the fact that he's doing so voluntarily should be applauded.

Finally, USADA has taken it on the chin in the years since being "introduced" to the boxing world, to where it's hard to lend credibility to their program. WADA as a whole? Sure. But not USADA and its "standards" in boxing.

Credibility destroyed in 1 post. Smdh
Bias or nah?

[MRCHOKEaMF]

he doesn't work for me anymore is because I think he's a little shady, you know. He used to give Manny a drink every day before we worked out and I asked him, 'What's in that drink,' and he would never tell me. And I said, 'I need to know what's in that drink because, you know, you're giving it to my fighter and if something goes wrong, I'm gonna get the blame.' In my opinion, he's a little shady" -Freddie Roach

TIM SMITH, COLUMNIST FROM THE DAILY NEWS REPORTED THAT Pacquiaos camp sent TWO emails to the Mayweather Camp, the first asked what will the Penalty if Pacquiao test positive on the drug test. The second email If he does test positive can they keep it quiet for the betterment of boxing

hmmmmmmm.........

[FAt tEDDY]

People in real life don't care does he go through testing or not.

******, naive kid who'll get beaten by better conditioned fighter.

[JakeNDaBox]

Credibility destroyed in 1 post. Smdh
Bias or nah?

I have no problem admitting my biases. Yes, I'm biased towards a program that carries stricter standards and whose main points of contact are both accessible and willing to go on record when important questions are asked.

I have my su****ions with USADA. Maybe they don't return my phone calls and emails simply because I don't rate in the grand scheme of things and therefore they don't HAVE to respond to me. That's fine, I know my place in the industry. But the fact is there are a lot of unanswered questions from the way USADA conducts business, and they refuse to clear the air. Whether it's arrogance or avoidance, their credibility is rightfully questioned.

[The Problem Child]

I find it funny how fighters and fans eat up the anti doping BS. Oblivious to the fact that it is a business and tests are manipulated at will. Abti doping agencies are just trying to get a piece of the pie and if they can get a bigger piece by other venues, they will do so.

PEDs are and will still be used. This is just a money making smoke screen.

[The Tase]

if you're against peds then you're against human evolution.

[JakeNDaBox]

that's not an elaboration on anything at all. it's interesting, though, how you link vargas to mayweather, and not to the most famous juicer in the sport, who suddenly decided to use vada (you know who).

anyway, getting a good editor would be a good idea, too. the first two paragraphs were very hard to read. are you a real boxing journalist?

I did elaborate. I specified that, unlike USADA, VADA uses CIR testing to detect synthetic testosterone.

Here are some more:

Their standards are no worse than equal to USADA (from my view on the outside looking in, they appear to be the superior company in that regard, but admittedly not a fully-informed opinion), yet are significantly cheaper.

Since their inception, they also seem to be the more effective in catching drug cheats - at least three boxers were popped within the program's first two full years of existence. USADA has caught one boxer to date, and allowed him to keep peeing in a cup until he finally produced a clean sample, and thus allowing him to fight.

So there are three reasons why I believe VADA to be superior to USADA. I'm more than willing to hear reasons why the opposite is true. Hopefully insults won't continue to be a part of the conversation.

[JakeNDaBox]

I find it funny how fighters and fans eat up the anti doping BS. Oblivious to the fact that it is a business and tests are manipulated at will. Abti doping agencies are just trying to get a piece of the pie and if they can get a bigger piece by other venues, they will do so.

PEDs are and will still be used. This is just a money making smoke screen.

I agree that the general stance "against" PED use in boxing is a dog and pony show. A very, very small few in the industry fully commit to the movement of a cleaner sport. Far too often, it is misused as a negotiating tool, which is NOT what drug testing should be about.

Where I disagree is on the "money-making smoke screen" part. VADA didn't profit at all in its first year, in fact had to rely on a loan to offset its excess expenses. I can't speak for USADA in that regard, but VADA definitely is not in it for the money. If that were the case, they'd have folded up shop the moment they went in the red.

[Russian Crushin]

Very admirable, a fighter undergoing year round testing only on himself without being forced by an opponent for only 1 fight. This is what a fighter does to prove that he's clean, he tests himself voluntarily. But apparently simply advocating testing is enough to show fans that you're clean, while not actually taking the tests. There's less than a handful of boxing in the world that want to voluntarily show they are clean year-round, lets just think about that

[Luilun]

Mayweather and TMT fighter are the biggest cheats of all those jokers are always positive Mayweather is protected his test find them selves in dumpster