Is there a SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE that Pacquiao USED STEROIDS?

[Evol]

Can't get evidence if you don't take the tests that will catch you.

There is a reason ***ish children don't get Xmas gifts-because they don't celebrate the holiday it isn't because Santa is a bigot.

taking the test is NOT the only evidence u can get... how about who is supplying the peds, etc.. theres other ways of catching a cheater but keep reaching LOL.

[Xing Cheng]

Puckiao does not use steroids, many fighters in history have moved up in weight and carried their speed and power over the bigger men. his left hand is a special weapon that has been perfect with his trainer

[The Big Dunn]

Exactly. If you look at the arguments people used defending Lance Armstrong and Barry Bonds they perfectly mirror the things you see ardent Pacquiao supporters posting.

Lance was famous for the all offense, character assassination, I'm a hero you must be jealous defense that pac fans love to use.

Eventually he was begging for forgiveness on oprah. Is there an oprah equivalent in the Philippines?

Can't wait for that show.

[The Tase]

Don't think he used steroids.

However, I am about 90% sure he used HGH, EPO, cortisone and possibly methamphetamine.

He may have used steroids as well at some point.

The Pacquiao-Cotto fight is one of the most amazing displays of cheating I have ever seen. Of course, a sports fan views this differently; elite sports is where amazing happens.

Unfortunately it's not real. That fight reminded me of Floyd Landis cinching the Tour De France stage in a super human feat a day after being left in the dust.

He took a near-lethal shot of dope, shot up through those mountains like the Roadrunner and beat everyone.

That's what it looked like to me.

Like Victor Conte says -- who knows a thing or two about this combination of dope (he fueled Shane Mosley, after all) -- we should all be wary of guys who suddenly ****e in performance after lengthy periods of stagnation.

If you also consider the fact his dramatic increase in performance -- as well as others' -- correlated with the new training led by a guy known in boxing circles to provide his boxers with EPO with a sudden decline the moment said trainer leaves, it's really not hard to put together the pieces.

Added to all this damning information, consider the facts that this guy 1) ran from the tests and sued -- a common tactic by doping cheaters, 2) requested testing the moment said trainer showed up in the opposite corner and 3) while still having his trademark explosive skill, suddenly looked human; he fatigued, he was no longer impervious to pain and his punches failed to dent a guy coming from lightweight when he would previously leave permanent damage on junior middleweights.

(And Lance Armstrong was never caught, either, by the way.)

All things considered, if one can't see what's going on, it's hard to argue that one is being objective.

speculative bull**** at its finest.

you act as if pacquiao was crap before the cotto fight.

as if beating and hurting miguel cotto is some ridiculous insanely hard achievement lmfaaoo the dude has been getting hurt and rocked at every division he has ever been in.

you act as if pacquiao just caved in marvin hagler's head or something.

do you even know cotto's physical statistics? it isnt that far off from pacquiao. cotto is not that big.

gtfo. that is not evidence at all lmfaaoooo bull**** post full of innuendo and guilt by association.

STILL NOT A SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE.


nice try tho.

[Evol]

You are fond of pointing out that if floyd didn't do the things he did posters wouldn't feel a certain way about him.

Same thing applies here. Manny's actions raised far more su****ions in the minds of non floyd fans than anything Sr, roger, or floyd said.

and when i do those things what do u usually say? that im sounding more like the other pactards. so im returning the favor with my earlier post to u LOL.

remember what the floyd fans said about how floyd decided not to work with arum anymore and the pac fans and everyone else is asking why now and not 3-4 years ago? and the floyd fans say after all the years of trying to negotiate for a pac fight and arum burning it each time so maybe floyd got tired of dealing with arum so thats why he decided he will not work with arum anymore because his feelings were hurt?

well before the negotiation started with pac and floyd, floyd and his people went and accused manny of cheating, etc. so maybe thats why when floyd finally demanded pac to take the test pac told him to kick rocks because maybe pac's feelings was hurt too. so using their own logic back at them LOL.

[DeadLikeMe]

Lance was famous for the all offense, character assassination, I'm a hero you must be jealous defense that pac fans love to use.

Eventually he was begging for forgiveness on oprah. Is there an oprah equivalent in the Philippines?

Can't wait for that show.

If there is, Manny probably already hosts it. At one point he had 8 TV shows over there.

[Evol]

Lance was famous for the all offense, character assassination, I'm a hero you must be jealous defense that pac fans love to use.

Eventually he was begging for forgiveness on oprah. Is there an oprah equivalent in the Philippines?

Can't wait for that show.

ur gonna be waiting for a while then... which reminded me, when is that tell all book from ariza coming out? LOL.. better yet, when is miss jackson gonna come out with one? LOL

[The Big Dunn]

taking the test is NOT the only evidence u can get... how about who is supplying the peds, etc.. theres other ways of catching a cheater but keep reaching LOL.

Ok. It's better to go after the dealer than just use advanced testing. That makes sense.

I wonder why manny only agreed to testing for the Rios fight in China yet always avoids it in the USA?

[Evol]

Ok. It's better to go after the dealer than just use advanced testing. That makes sense.

I wonder why manny only agreed to testing for the Rios fight in China yet always avoids it in the USA?

umm he just started doing it for the rios fight and u already said thats because he got ktfo by marquez. LOL

[The Big Dunn]

and when i do those things what do u usually say? that im sounding more like the other pactards. so im returning the favor with my earlier post to u LOL.

remember what the floyd fans said about how floyd decided not to work with arum anymore and the pac fans and everyone else is asking why now and not 3-4 years ago? and the floyd fans say after all the years of trying to negotiate for a pac fight and arum burning it each time so maybe floyd got tired of dealing with arum so thats why he decided he will not work with arum anymore because his feelings were hurt?

well before the negotiation started with pac and floyd, floyd and his people went and accused manny of cheating, etc. so maybe thats why when floyd finally demanded pac to take the test pac told him to kick rocks because maybe pac's feelings was hurt too. so using their own logic back at them LOL.

Ok. Of course I don't hold you to what other pac fans say.

If his feelings were hurt, ok. How did jmm hurt his feelings? Is that why he refused for that fight?