If Andre Ward had not ducked fighting in other countries during the Super Six

[The Hammer]

You guys are stubbornly sticking with location playing more of a role than talent, skill and speed.

Does it really require talent, skill and speed to head butt, clinch, hit off the break and hit while holding?

Or does it just require a crooked home referee like Jack Reiss?

Why did Ward refuse OST for the Super Six fights with Kessler and Abraham and VADA testing for his fight with Rodriguez?

[JDD1]

Does it really require talent, skill and speed to head butt, clinch, hit off the break and hit while holding?

Or does it just require a crooked home referee like Jack Reiss?

Why did Ward refuse OST for the Super Six fights with Kessler and Abraham and VADA testing for his fight with Rodriguez?

In wlad's case no.

I don't know. But if you have a theory, make sure you apply it to all of your favorite fighters who have also avoided testing.

[BattlingNelson]

That is because the promoters didn't make him because the US, whether you wil, admit it or not, is where fighters come to make it. The other promoters allowed it because they wanted their fighters to get exsposure in the US.

Please don't ever again say a fighter fought for glory. This is there job. They fought for the chance to earn money and the chance to get exsposure in the US so they could make more money.

If the mecca of boxing was 9 time zones away your question would be valid. But it isn't. Maybe if Macaua becomes the boxing mecca we will see. Either way the ring is the same size no matter where it is. Ward is still a a better fighter than everyone who enetered the super 6.

Like I said with Marvin-go there, kick ass, go home. If anyone other than ward was good enough, that would've happened. The reason Kessler, Froch and Abraham lost was the same reason alan minter lost.

I cannot believe this guy.

He does not understand the concept of fairness.

He does not understand that some would have made more money staying at home.

He thinks boxing's Mecca is jOakland.


Is it possible to reason with a guy like that?

[JDD1]

I cannot believe this guy.

He does not understand the concept of fairness.

He does not understand that some would have made more money staying at home.

He thinks boxing's Mecca is jOakland.


Is it possible to reason with a guy like that?

I understand the concept of whining and being a sore loser.

I also understand the concept of promoters/managers wanting their fighters to get exsposure on US televeison, even if the fight is in Oakland, because it expands their brand and gives them additional options-same thing GGG's promoter is doing.

What I don't understand is why you are ignoring these things and trying to make what happened about "fairness" rather than just admitting Ward is just better than these guys.

Addition: I also see you keep avoiding my point about Hagler. He went overseas, kicked ass, came home. Naseem Hamed came here, kicked ass, went home. They won because they were better than their opponents.

Kessler, Froch, Abraham didn't becsue they are not better than ward.

[Weebler I]

You remember somewhat wrong. Goosen came out and said he could barely believe they gave Ward homefield throughout. They knew how important that would be and the tournament proved it: Not a single fight was won by the visiting fighter. Not one!

So Hershman at Showtime was setting up Ward as the star?

It's funny how the same man is getting nothing but criticism now for handing Ward a $3m deal to fight Rodriguez. What goes around...

What I don't understand is why you are ignoring these things and trying to make what happened about "fairness" rather than just admitting Ward is just better than these guys.

Do you know Ward is better than Kessler without holding and headbutting him all night? because he doesn't get away with that in Denmark.

The fight started with Ward on the backfoot trying to box Kessler who easily closed the distance and started landing on Ward, at which point Ward went into hold and headbutt mode.

At the end of the day Andre's tactics and desire for home-field advantage have come back on him, no one wants to watch it.

[New England]

lmao the guy is so good his wins don't count unless they are in a certain place

let this young king sit on his throne and rule in peace.

[New England]

Does it really require talent, skill and speed to head butt, clinch, hit off the break and hit while holding?

Or does it just require a crooked home referee like Jack Reiss?

Why did Ward refuse OST for the Super Six fights with Kessler and Abraham and VADA testing for his fight with Rodriguez?

because kessler and abraham were so good he needed drugs to beat them.

[BattlingNelson]

If you say so. Kessler has never been nor will he ever be as good as andre ward. this is why he lost. If the same ref assigned the fight remains the same.

Are you saying the ref had no influence on the outcome?

NO bias. You guys are stubbornly sticking with location playing more of a role than talent, skill and speed. THis way it appears as a valid reason why they lost and, probably, why a rematch between these fighters should happen when none is truly warranted.

Yeah. It's better to have Ward fighting the Rodriguez's and Kashtonov's of the world when he makes his yearly cameo in the ring.

There is a reason my point about Hagler was ignored. He went and kicked Minter's ass. Those guys should've done same and would've if they were better.

Dude. Hagler is an ATG.

In another thread I made the point that if a US soccer player wants to be considered the best, he has to go overseas to prove it. He will never get that respect winning just here in the US pro league.

Wait!

But you just said:

Please don't ever again say a fighter fought for glory. This is there job. They fought for the chance to earn money

[JDD1]

So Hershman at Showtime was setting up Ward as the star?

It's funny how the same man is getting nothing but criticism now for handing Ward a $3m deal to fight Rodriguez. What goes around...



Do you know Ward is better than Kessler without holding and headbutting him all night? because he doesn't get away with that in Denmark.

The fight started with Ward on the backfoot trying to box Kessler who easily closed the distance and started landing on Ward, at which point Ward went into hold and headbutt mode.

At the end of the day Andre's tactics and desire for home-field advantage have come back on him, no one wants to watch it.

Come on my man, Ward didn't win the fight just because of this.

His popularity has no bearing on what happened in the Super 6 tourney.

I'm sensing some unhappiness on your part. You're not one of these guys that blames the ref or the location when your guy loses, are you?

[JDD1]

Are you saying the ref had no influence on the outcome?


Yeah. It's better to have Ward fighting the Rodriguez's and Kashtonov's of the world when he makes his yearly cameo in the ring.

Dude. Hagler is an ATG.





Wait!

But you just said:

NO, I'm saying if the ref was the same the same decisions would be made.

Yes and so is Hamed. They were better than the opponents.

What does what I said about soccer players going overseas to play in better leagues have to do with your contention that fighters fought in the Super Six for glory rather than money? I get it-reach and try to change the discussion.