Comments Thread For: Robert Garcia: Everyone Loses, Mayweather No Exception

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You're a Manny fan?

Well, not anymore but at one point I was, close enough to the time period he was talking about, I pretty much went from loving Manny to hating Manny when everyone else started hopping on his sack. I can't slob on someone elses knob because others do it, if others do it its coincidental, I like who I like and dont jump on hype trains out of emotion.

I used to like Manny when he was exciting and coming up, then people started talking about him being an ATG and saying he was better than Floyd, all I have wanted to see him do (until the rios fight, since him winning benefits the possibilities of a super fight) is lose. His fans are the worst, though ignorant floyd fans are not much better.

My favorite active current fighters are listed in my sig, but Floyd basically became my #1 when he dethroned my favorite fighter of my lifetime, childhood idol, and one of the reasons I started watching boxing and eventually boxed myself: Oscar. My way of dealing with the unbearable pain at the time was to sell my soul to being a Floyd groupie, and ive been slobbing on that knob ever since. I am still objective however, don't have Floyd in the top 10 all time and never will, and will always tell you Margarito could have sonned him in his prime.

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Mayweather is a great fighter but he already lost twice, first to Castillo and the second to De La Hoya.. De La Hoya also whooped Trinidad. Sorry, I meant to say schooled not whopped..

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Mayweather is a great fighter but he already lost twice, first to Castillo and the second to De La Hoya.. De La Hoya also whooped Trinidad. Sorry, I meant to say schooled not whopped..

I don't see how anyone could watch Floyd-DLH and give Oscar more than 3-4rds. I think DLH was involved in so many controversal decisions because of the embarrassing cheerleading by Jim Lamply and at times George Foreman. I thought DLH was clearly the superior fighter in the ring when he fought Tito. But in a 12rd fight, you can't just give away 3-4rds and cry foul when you don't get a decision. Its almost like Hopkins later in his career having a tendacy to give away 3-4rds in the first half the fight and b1tchin' about dropping close decisions.

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I remember the Henry Brussels fight was supposed to be check fight for a potential Mayweather/Cotto fight, since Brussels had the same style and trainer as Cotto, just not as skilled. The problems between Mayweather and Top Rank along with the beat down Mayweather put on Brussels ended that talk real quickly. Mayweather pretty much toyed with Brussels most of the fight and spent a few rounds talking to the commentators about sports during the fight before finally finishing off Brussels in the eighth round. Kinda wish Mayweather put on more performances like this.

The Bruseles and "Chop Chop" Corley fights were eliminators that Floyd took t become Gatti's mandatory to force Thunder into a fight that he and Buddy McGirt wanted no part of.

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If you fight the other top fighters in their prime, you will lose sometimes......

Brilliant matchmaking like calzaghe and floyd will go a long way in preserving their 0...

Guys are great fighters, but fight a schedule like de la hoya, or evander, etc and you wont be undefeated

Calzage fought everybody who was anybody at 68 for a decade. Well, he didn't fight Sven Otkke, I'm assuming that was part of his "brillient matchmaking." Then he stepped up and took the legitimate light heavyweight title from Hopkins, who was top 5 on everybody's P4P list. How old he was doesn't matter. Everybody b1tches about calzage not coming to the US to fight Roy Jones and Hopkins. But neither of them were in a hurry to go over and fight him on his turf either. And, he was a bigger star in his country than either of them were here. So it woud have been a bigger fight over there. Just sayin'.

BTW, go check the defenses Holyfield made in his first reign as heavyweight champ. Far from a murderous row.

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No, Here's a quick history lesson for you. Did you know that on two different occasions, Floyd tried to secure a bout with Shane. The first offer was at lightweight in which Shane rejected, and instead, moved up to welterweight. That took place in 1999. And the second time was after Shane KO'd Vargas and again Shane rejected the offer. So that discredits your Shane argument.

Moving right along, "Cotto".
Anyone who knows boxing knows that Cotto, like most of Arum's potential cashcows, was a protected fighter. Arum wouldn't let Mayweather anywhere near Cotto. This is all history, do your research. I challenge you to produce just one clip, an article or video, of Cotto or Arum pursuing a potential bout with Mayweather. How do you duck a guy who's not pursuing you? Your Cotto argument has just been discredited.

I'm really not going to comment too much on Cheato, he's a disgusting, disgrace to boxing. For you to think that Floyd ducked that cheating scum really boggles the mind, not to mention that he was KO'd by Shane, beaten unrecognizable by Pac and stopped by Cotto. And you actually think that Floyd duck this guy. I tell ya, you can't make this stuff up, life is truely stranger than fiction.

I'm not going get into the whole Pac thing, that's an endless debate. But I will say that it is well documented that Pac turned down numerous lucrative offers. You didn't actually believe that, "I'M SCARED OF NEEDLES ", story, did you?

Floyd didn't "duck" Margarito between the loses to Mosley and Pac. These f.ucktards claim he "ducked" him between him getting his ass kicked by Daniel Santos and Paul Williams. Other than that, accurate post.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Calzage fought everybody who was anybody at 68 for a decade. Well, he didn't fight Sven Otkke, I'm assuming that was part of his "brillient matchmaking." Then he stepped up and took the legitimate light heavyweight title from Hopkins, who was top 5 on everybody's P4P list. How old he was doesn't matter. Everybody b1tches about calzage not coming to the US to fight Roy Jones and Hopkins. But neither of them were in a hurry to go over and fight him on his turf either. And, he was a bigger star in his country than either of them were here. So it woud have been a bigger fight over there. Just sayin'.

BTW, go check the defenses Holyfield made in his first reign as heavyweight champ. Far from a murderous row.

If you read my post, i said he was a great fighter, but lets not act like from 97-04 calzaghe was fighting the cream of the crop,, Last few years yes, with lacy, kessler, hopkins, bika, but lets not ignore the 8 years he was fighting tucker pudwill etc

All of holyfield's reigns were kinda weak,, but at the end of the day he fought everyone at heavy in the 90s mercer, foreman, moorer, rahman, ruiz, tyson, toney, bowe, lennox, etc

We arent talking about title reigns, we are talking about preserving your 0,, Title reigns are meaningless in this discussion,,

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Joe Cortez ruined Hattons career in a way that he really did mess up whatever chance he had against Floyd even if he was going to lose no matter what. That fight is hard to watch because of how much Cortez involved himself.

I don't think he'd have gotten past Hatton if he hadn't paid off Joe Cortez. And I'm not the only one who thinks that.

Right. How dare Cortez not let Ricky hug the **** outta Floyd for three minutes a round

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I suppose Floyd-worshipers might argue that Juan Manuel Marquez was in his prime and is a Hall-of-Famer; however, Floyd came in overweight And Marquez had to move up two weight classes. So not sure if that counts as Marquez in his prime.

The major knock on Floyd is he didn't wait for Pacquiao to fight Hatton and then negotiate that fight (before he started the blood-testing crusade) Mayweather ducked Pac in his prime from the De La Hoya win to the Margarito fight. And saying he won't negotiate with Bob Arum is just another lame BS excuse.

So if JMM wasn't in his prime and looked like complete dawg**** against a Floyd that weighed in at 146. How bad does it make a Pac that weighed in at 147 and fought him 2-3yrs later and got his brain knocked into orbit look

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Right. How dare Cortez not let Ricky hug the **** outta Floyd for three minutes a round

yeah i gotta agree with that,,, Hatton lost not because of the ref,, it was just that floyd is a better fighter,, Hatton gave a great effort but floyd is simply better.
The ref excuse is lame, and i am a huge hatton fan