Comments Thread For: Robert Garcia: Everyone Loses, Mayweather No Exception

[hitking]

If you read my post, i said he was a great fighter, but lets not act like from 97-04 calzaghe was fighting the cream of the crop,, Last few years yes, with lacy, kessler, hopkins, bika, but lets not ignore the 8 years he was fighting tucker pudwill etc

All of holyfield's reigns were kinda weak,, but at the end of the day he fought everyone at heavy in the 90s mercer, foreman, moorer, rahman, ruiz, tyson, toney, bowe, lennox, etc

We arent talking about title reigns, we are talking about preserving your 0,, Title reigns are meaningless in this discussion,,

Explain to me how the f.uck Calzage was preserving an 0 fighting any and everybody in his division for a decade.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Explain to me how the f.uck Calzage was preserving an 0 fighting any and everybody in his division for a decade.

tell me from 97-04 who were these top guys he was fighting

Calzaghe was basically pulling a chris john during those days,, he didnt start fighting the very best till 2006.....

Grant it, it was a very weak division during that time

ottke, beyer, johnson, etc would have been fine...


I dont know how one can say calzaghe fought the best from 07-05,, that is a pretty indefensible statement

[racostaa]

I'm not sure what Robert's problem with fighting Gamboa is. I'm a Mikey Garcia fan and believe he'll beat Gamboa hands down, but don't get why his team is avoiding little Gamboa.

So, why they are avoiding the fight with Gamboa?. They now are hiding behind Arum to avoid the fight but this excuse is not convincing one. If Arum really had problem he would said that early on discussion, but it seems that team Garcia are the one with the problems. First they said that Gamboa didn't wanted the purse but later when Gambia said he will fight for any prize they came out with Arum excuse. For me they are afraid

[racostaa]

Robert garcia to me has not shown anything in boxing. He lost with Casamayor, he created a fake like Nonito. Rios is another fake slow bum who is always taking punches with any technical fighter. He is now protecting his little brother from Gamboa with several excuses. Until he and his team take the path of real fights he has not shown anything in boxing besides a fake glory behind promoters and manipulations

[hitking]

tell me from 97-04 who were these top guys he was fighting

Calzaghe was basically pulling a chris john during those days,, he didnt start fighting the very best till 2006.....

Grant it, it was a very weak division during that time

ottke, beyer, johnson, etc would have been fine...


I dont know how one can say calzaghe fought the best from 07-05,, that is a pretty indefensible statement

Dude, we are a week removed from Mauricio Herrera, who justified or not was a fringe jr welterweight entering the ring against Danny Garcia, who had just beaten the boogyman. And most watched that fight feel Herrera won. There's no guarantees in boxing. Its easy after the fact to get on boxrec and **** on a guy's resume. But there's something to be said for cleaning out and ruling a division for a decade. And the beef is, oh he didn't leave his division or his country seeking better competition. But that's horse****. Last I checked, Marvin Hagler wasn't beating down Michael Spins door for a shot at the light heavy title. He fought his entire career as a middleweight and nobody questions his greatness. Why, cause he lost. That's bull****. Its almost everybody is so obsessed with Floyd's "0" that they've lost all sense of logic and common sense. Like that ass clown ****in' on Ricardo Lopez, who arguably is the best technical fight of the past 2-3 decades. Evevrybody that finished undefeated didn't do it by protecting a record. More times than not it was because they retired before losing to someone that they would have spanmked in their prime. And its absolutely nothing wrong with that.

[mathed]

I guess he never met Joe Calzaghe

[sugarsmosley]

Dude, we are a week removed from Mauricio Herrera, who justified or not was a fringe jr welterweight entering the ring against Danny Garcia, who had just beaten the boogyman. And most watched that fight feel Herrera won. There's no guarantees in boxing. Its easy after the fact to get on boxrec and **** on a guy's resume. But there's something to be said for cleaning out and ruling a division for a decade. And the beef is, oh he didn't leave his division or his country seeking better competition. But that's horse****. Last I checked, Marvin Hagler wasn't beating down Michael Spins door for a shot at the light heavy title. He fought his entire career as a middleweight and nobody questions his greatness. Why, cause he lost. That's bull****. Its almost everybody is so obsessed with Floyd's "0" that they've lost all sense of logic and common sense. Like that ass clown ****in' on Ricardo Lopez, who arguably is the best technical fight of the past 2-3 decades. Evevrybody that finished undefeated didn't do it by protecting a record. More times than not it was because they retired before losing to someone that they would have spanmked in their prime. And its absolutely nothing wrong with that.

decent post, but it doesn't mean what sugar adam ali said wasnt true.

[hitking]

decent post, but it doesn't mean what sugar adam ali said wasnt true.

If you wanted to badly enough, there's not a fighter in history that you can't get on boxrec and nitpick their resume. My point is the notion that a guy has to lose to validate them is nonsense. We live in an era where everybody doesn't fight everybody. Its not just one guy. And its not always due to "ducking." To me, it seems like the obsession with diminishing Floyd's career if just beyond ******ed. We sit and talk about he won't fight this guy or he won't fight that guy. Then, when he fights them and beats them easily. We automatically reverse our opinion and say the guy ******. How ridiculous is that? And because of the obsession of ****in' on Floyd, now we're discrediting every fighter in history that retired undefeated.

[tangalog2200]

"Show me an undefeated fighter, and ill show you somebody who hasnt really fought anybody."

That old time tested boxing quote still stands true to this very day.

If you look at all the undefeated "all time greats" they all have serious question marks as to why they retired undefeated:

Rocky Marciano - mob controlled era. should have lost the walcott fight but the mafia wanted to continue his undefeated record schtick.

Ricardo Lopez - who did this guy really fight and how come he never moved up to fight great fighters like carbajal, chiquita gonzalez, and galaxy? He had the frame to move up but stayed in his bulimic model division fighting boxers skinnier than rawandan refugees.

Joe Calzaghe - finally fought big names when both where in their 40s and proceeded to get dropped by both senior citizens. Imagine what would have happened had calzaghe fought hop and roy jr in their primes.

Floyd jr. - Do i even need to go over this? Has never fought a legit hall of famer in their prime and his best win is diego corrales.

If you look in the hall of fame, almost every single true all time great has had losses. It means you were tested, it means you didnt cherry pick.

How you bounce back from a loss is a true mark of a great champion.

i could not have said any better,,,very well written

[tangalog2200]

If you wanted to badly enough, there's not a fighter in history that you can't get on boxrec and nitpick their resume. My point is the notion that a guy has to lose to validate them is nonsense. We live in an era where everybody doesn't fight everybody. Its not just one guy. And its not always due to "ducking." To me, it seems like the obsession with diminishing Floyd's career if just beyond ******ed. We sit and talk about he won't fight this guy or he won't fight that guy. Then, when he fights them and beats them easily. We automatically reverse our opinion and say the guy ******. How ridiculous is that? And because of the obsession of ****in' on Floyd, now we're discrediting every fighter in history that retired undefeated.

this one may be on the opposite side of the fence, but also well written...

but having a loss is not a validation of greatness; more so as an issue if one has fought the opponent most people wanted to see in a fight....

floyd vs pac has all the makings of a great fight....the amount of $$$, the generated fight fans interest and more....

a big shame if it does not happen