Official Mayweather vs Maidana Master Discussion & Postfight Analysis Thread

[joseph5620]

People fall into Mayweathers game, and end up letting him get off first. When the fight gets to the point that Mayweather is constantly getting off first it's already over. Watching Guerrero let Mayweather tee off on him, and trying to counter, if not so idiotic would have been hilarious.

People keep saying Mayweather is fighting all these big hitter, tough guys etc. Naw. I don't see it. No one since Hatton has truly pressured Mayweather and Hatton has no power. Ortiz did and had success , but he's not that good and lost it mentally. Everyone else is a boxer first. None of them have been pressure fighters and none of them had Maidana power. Not Cotto, Not Canelo, Surely not Marquez and Guerrero. Mosley has power and showed it, but fell into Mayweathers game.

I truly don't think anyone Mayweather has faced has as much blunt straight forward power as Maidana. Maidana will dictate the fight and Mayweather will be trying to stay away and pot shot all night.

Not saying Maidana will win this fight, but he will have success and make Mayweather very uncomfortable at times.

They're not "letting him" do it. If they had a choice they would do something about it. It's easy to sit back and say what they should have done or that they didn't apply enough pressure. But it's not so easy when you're missing and getting countered in the ring. I've also heard Paulie Malignaggi try to explain this on numerous occasions. Maidana will find that out too.

[Da Machine]

They're not "letting him" do it. If they had a choice they would do something about it. It's easy to sit back and say what they should have done or that they didn't apply enough pressure. But it's not so easy when you're missing and getting countered in the ring. I've also heard Paulie Malignaggi try to explain this on numerous occasions. Maidana will find that out too.

No.... It's a choice to let another guy get off first. Basically what they are saying is they aren't willing to take punishment in order to win. That's what I'm saying, and Maidana has shown he is willing.

Im not disagreeing with you completely, because I understand what you are saying, and not everyone is cut from the same cloth so to say, but it is a choice. When you decide to stand in the middle of the ring and try to out twitch Mayweather, then you have basically fallen into his game whether you know it or not.

[punchr]

Golden Boy and Al Haymon won't let Maidana win.

If this was a real fight -- i.e. Maidana was allowed to go all out -- Mayweather gets knocked out in two rounds. Money May isn't as tough as little bro, and Maidana said himself he thinks big bro isn't as strong as little bro.

Easy fight for Maidana; El Chino has faced way better/stronger offensive fighters. Mayweather better be nice and hope he can hold off this Argentine bull.

Maidana TKO 2.

[icebergisonfire]

No.... It's a choice to let another guy get off first. Basically what they are saying is they aren't willing to take punishment in order to win. That's what I'm saying, and Maidana has shown he is willing.

Im not disagreeing with you completely, because I understand what you are saying, and not everyone is cut from the same cloth so to say, but it is a choice. When you decide to stand in the middle of the ring and try to out twitch Mayweather, then you have basically fallen into his game whether you know it or not.

Listen to what Shane Mosley says. I want y'all to peep what he's saying though, about when Canelo and his camp thought that he was just going to be able to walk Floyd down and punch him. Shane was like, nope, that's not about to happen. That is what Marcos Maidana thinks he's going to do, just throw 100 punches a round, at Floyd of all people. All that shyt is going to get stopped FIRST ROUND. He's slower than Canelo, not as good a boxer as Canelo nor is he as big, PBF is going to wreck shyt in May.

[Da Machine]

Listen to what Shane Mosley says. I want y'all to peep what he's saying though, about when Canelo and his camp thought that he was just going to be able to walk Floyd down and punch him. Shane was like, nope, that's not about to happen. That is what Marcos Maidana thinks he's going to do, just throw 100 punches a round, at Floyd of all people. All that shyt is going to get stopped FIRST ROUND. He's slower than Canelo, not as good a boxer as Canelo nor is he as big, PBF is going to wreck shyt in May.

Of course he's not going to throw 100 punches a round. When has he ever. Nor has Mayweather fought an abundance of pressure fighters. The last one was Hatton. Maidana game is to close the distance and get off on you. He's not going to lock up because he gets hit a couple times. Khan landed at will on him with 30 punches a round in the first 3, and put him down. Did it stop Maidana? Is Mayeather going to be as busy as Khan? No. Maidana will control the tempo of this fight, just like Hatton did.

[ARENA]

...not as good a boxer as Canelo nor is he as big, PBF is going to wreck shyt in May.

People keeps saying that, but in Floyd's fight Canelo weight was 165, Maidana was 161 1/2 for Broner. So 3 lbs difference.
Plus Canelo's gameplan was to outbox Floyd he lost the fight before it even started.

[LoadedWraps]

People keeps saying that, but in Floyd's fight Canelo weight was 165, Maidana was 161 1/2 for Broner. So 3 lbs difference.
Plus Canelo's gameplan was to outbox Floyd he lost the fight before it even started.

His lack of ability to adapt is what lost the fight before it even started. Ring generalship is underrated on NSB.

[dc3383]

Somebody embed this vid

[MONGOOSE66]

Mayweather loves to get into the boxing exchange game with opponents. You can't outbox a better boxer.
Foot speed and a ruff FORWARD moving style and hard hitting is the only thing that can throw Mayweather off. Maidana has decent speed in conjunction with an awkward style, to be able to hit Mayweather, but Mayweather is one of the most experienced chess players out there. He'll find a way to nullify Maidana's attributes, whereas Maidana doesn't quite have the boxing IQ of Mayweather. Should be interesting for the first few rounds. Maidana should go balls out from the first bell and not worry about gassing out. Its his only chance in my opinion. He might be able to catch him.

[Syf]

All of those fighters are completely different from the other. If you're counting on Mayweather fighting like either one, you'll find out differently soon enough.

I am not counting on Mayweather fighting like either one. Im counting on him changing it up alot, as I have clearly outlined in previous posts. Khan's go to method is getting on his bike. Alexander's go to method is the clinch. Floyd is more versatile than that but.. its during transition between his different forms of defense where he is most vulnerable, to the right foe.

Maidana has a punchers chance..


I have noticed that older posters like ray corso, joseph and myself think its a wide margin in talent difference,, younger posters get caught up in the present day hype, but after watching boxing for decades they will realize that you cant believe the hype in boxing,,, I was the same way when i was younger and i thought nobody could beat Iran Barkley, he was a monster,,,,
You live and you learn

Of course he has a puncher's chance. He aint winning no points fight. Some punchers have a better chance than others, which is being glossed over. I wouldnt be out here in the trenches of ineptitude if I hadnt seen something in Maidana that makes me believe he will be Floyd's toughest fight in years. I have never campaigned like this before, and I probably wont again for the rest of Floyd's career. Its something about Maidana, specifically, that has captured my attention. Ive tried to articulate WHY, but either I am not fleshing my concepts out enough or some posters here are being intentionally obtuse.

as to age. My only comment on that is some people are wise beyond their years, and some remain childlike in the mind until the day that they die.

They're not "letting him" do it. If they had a choice they would do something about it. It's easy to sit back and say what they should have done or that they didn't apply enough pressure. But it's not so easy when you're missing and getting countered in the ring. I've also heard Paulie Malignaggi try to explain this on numerous occasions. Maidana will find that out too.

Maidana is a superior fighter to Paulie. Has more tools. Paulie may see all the angles but he doesnt have the cards to win a high stakes hand. As I have said, Floyd is a master manipulator in the ring.. he deflates, discourages, demoralizes opponents. He lulls them into a cat and mouse game of his own making. The absolute prerequisite for challenging his mental dominance is to be very mentally dominant yourself. Dont abide or settle, challenge his entire world. I dont see anyone on the current landscape that has the elite intangibles of a Marcos Maidana.

Furthermore, you might feel smart picking Floyd every time to whitewash opponents, but is that even based on cognitive analysis or have you just slipped into the herd mentality? Seems Floyd's past opponents arent the only ones that have been lulled.