I've Decided, Wilder is the real deal!

[Tom Cruise]

Could you name these teams, please.

the ones in Polynesia most likely

[soul_survivor]

i don't think it's necessarily that wilder will beat all of your HW that's causing the fear.

the rub is that wilder is one of several thousand athletes in america who just happened to choose boxing over his basketball career, and is already an olympic medalist and a fringe contender.

there are tons of deontay wilders playing collegiate and pro basketball and football. these guys are huge and talented. they're all wilders. i know you guys don't want to hear that, but it's the truth. i think that's where the fear / hatred comes from.


wilder just happens to be the only one of these guys who has long arms and can punch? of course not. wilder's not even all that talented compared to these men. you wouldn't even think some of these guys were real if they started boxing.

Man, this is the worst post I've ever read and on this site, I've read some stinkers.

Basketball players are all great potential boxers? Didn't they say that about American football players too? Ever heard of Seth Mitchell?

Fact is, the UK has Fury and Chisora, both guys probably whoop Wilder and then there's young AJ, an Olympic GOLD medallist, **** the bronze and the guy had as few am fights as Wilder.

Fact is, I don't even dislike Wilder, his power makes him entertaining if nothing else and unlike 90% of heavyweights from North America, he comes in shape. I hope he does well and he might have a title when Wlad retires but he isn't the saviour and he won't be great.

To think this all started with me saying Wilder needs to step up and you admit that he does yet you come out with all this ****. You are about as ******ed as the business sense of that man in your avatar "peeleft:

[DannYankee]

You cant be the real deal until you beat a real contender at least. He has been scraping the bottom of barrel for so long who knows whats gonna happen when he faces someone with a pulse.

[SN!PER]

Fact is, the UK has Fury and Chisora, both guys probably whoop Wilder and then there's young AJ, an Olympic GOLD medallist, **** the bronze and the guy had as few am fights as Wilder.

AJ, isn't that the guy who got a gift decision against Erislandy Savon? Eris fights better than any of the heavyweight medalists from 2012.

Wilder would take out Fury, Chisora and Price all on the same weekend.

[New England]

Man, this is the worst post I've ever read and on this site, I've read some stinkers.

Basketball players are all great potential boxers? Didn't they say that about American football players too? Ever heard of Seth Mitchell?

Fact is, the UK has Fury and Chisora, both guys probably whoop Wilder and then there's young AJ, an Olympic GOLD medallist, **** the bronze and the guy had as few am fights as Wilder.

Fact is, I don't even dislike Wilder, his power makes him entertaining if nothing else and unlike 90% of heavyweights from North America, he comes in shape. I hope he does well and he might have a title when Wlad retires but he isn't the saviour and he won't be great.

To think this all started with me saying Wilder needs to step up and you admit that he does yet you come out with all this ****. You are about as ******ed as the business sense of that man in your avatar "peeleft:

seth mitchell did very well for a guy who started boxing when he was a grown man. he's support for the argument, not evidence against it.


my avatar?
sounds like you're taking things personally, dawg. did the post hurt?

[New England]

Haye rips those goofy looking limbs off of that silly looking tattooed body of his, then beats him with said limbs. Over. And over. And over. And over.

they've sparred quite a bit, and wilder's limbs remain intact.

[takingaim]

they've sparred quite a bit, and wilder's limbs remain intact.

Got sent home early. And that's sparring, silly. Sparring and fight night are night & day.

[Hitman932]

I've just gone back and watched all 30 of his fights. It didn't take long because he just wastes everyone in a couple of minutes.

This guy is for real, I dont think he'd beat Wlad but anyone else is getting it, that right hand lands on anyone and its over.

I'm not even sold on Wilder and I'm surprised to hear you say this and I wonder if you might be taking the piss?

People on this site like to rip into Wilder but the reality isn't so much that he is great so much as there just aren't very many good HW's - much less ones suited to exposing him. He only needs to be better than his competition to be the best - he doesn't need to be better than Ali.

A small explosive HW with head movement like Tyson or Frazier would probably KO Wilder inside 1 round without breaking a sweat. However - there is nobody who even comes close to fitting that bill at HW currently.

Guys like Chisora and Pulev are so one dimensional themselves that even though they may have better skills than Wilder they don't have too many options for closing the distance and getting close enough to knock him out.

I would actually favor a guy like Arreola to beat Wilder moreso than Pulev because Arreola can take punishment to get inside. Pulev - just trying to throw the 1-2 over and over again - would struggle. To get close enough to do his work he would have to be inside the range of Wilder's right hand - and he is not an inside fighter himself.

[Hitman932]

seth mitchell did very well for a guy who started boxing when he was a grown man. he's support for the argument, not evidence against it.


my avatar?
sounds like you're taking things personally, dawg. did the post hurt?

You're 110% correct. Seth Mitchell is proof of the argument.

Here is a guy who didn't box until he was 23 or 24 - had a knee that was destroyed so badly he couldn't even play football - yet he made it to world class status as a boxer and fought on HBO multiple times.

By football player standards Mitchell was small, was a decent but unspectacular athlete and succeeded in football because of his football brain more than anything.

If a guy who is 6'2 230 who is nothing but a decent college linebacker and never plays in the NFL - with a bum knee - can make it as a pro boxer...

Why would anyone say that a guy who was 6'6 250lbs with way more athleticism than Mitchell and a real boxing background couldn't dominate the HW division the way the Klits have?

[PainfromUkraine]

You're 110% correct. Seth Mitchell is proof of the argument.

Here is a guy who didn't box until he was 23 or 24 - had a knee that was destroyed so badly he couldn't even play football - yet he made it to world class status as a boxer and fought on HBO multiple times.

By football player standards Mitchell was small, was a decent but unspectacular athlete and succeeded in football because of his football brain more than anything.

If a guy who is 6'2 230 who is nothing but a decent college linebacker and never plays in the NFL - with a bum knee - can make it as a pro boxer...

Why would anyone say that a guy who was 6'6 250lbs with way more athleticism than Mitchell and a real boxing background couldn't dominate the HW division the way the Klits have?

To be fair, that's a ****** argument to say - IF these guys boxed from a young age they would be champs etc etc, just because they are tall and athletic...the fact is they haven't and didn't - what could be or might have been is irrelevant, you can make tons of arguments like that.

And to be honest, simply height and athleticism isn't enough to make it in this sport - you will have a certain degree of success of course due to things like natural power or speed but when you meet a more complete fighter, usually due to natural qualities excluding physical elements which you just have or not have, and some of these things cannot be taught in a boxing gym, so boxing background is irrelevent...the general type of fighters you are talking about have been around - the Michael Grants and Deontay Wilders of the world...tall, athletic guys, power...even with other things like reach even going for them, still their downfall is their chin or their heart or stamina...you can't get by in this sport simply with training and physical gifts even...you need something within you - the fighter's soul. You can be the best athlete there is, if you aren't a fighter you aren't a fighter.

Never forget 2 points
- Boxing is the hardest and most unique sport of them all
- The bigger they are, the harder they fall...