Manny Pacquiao Vs Timothy Bradley 2 & Undercards Master Discussion Thread

[jas]

[Rome-By-Ko]

That's what I like to see,Manny working on cutting off the ring..Very good..

[Carpe Diem]

I thought Bradley moves a bit too much. There were times when he stood his ground a little bit and had the right angle to fire off the lead right hand down the middle, but he just couldn't do it. Clottey executed the straight right hand better than Bradley did the whole fight against Manny. Clottey just didn't do enough in that fight and didn't made the necessary adjustments[feints, moving side-to-side, etc,] to disrupt Manny's offensive rhythm and workrate.


Obviously, Bradley threw more punches against Manny and landed more variety of punches to the body and the head, but Clottey did a better job at closing the gap and countering and beating Manny to punch by countering over the right jab with the lead straight right hand a few times when he had the angles. Clottey had the right offensive strategy, but overall, he wasn't consistent defensively and got outworked by, Pacquiao.

[Carpe Diem]

All I'm saying is, Bradley needs to be more of a sharpshooter against Manny just like when he fought Marquez and throw the lead straight hand more instead of throwing his usual wide short overhand rights/right hooks and left hooks. He will go the body as he always does, but it's not enough and the judges tends to be in favor of the guy who lands the more effective eye-catching shots upstairs.

He needs to straightening up the punches upstairs and stand his ground a bit more to find the angle to throw counter lead straight hand over the pawing right jab of Pacquiao.

[JOM'S]

After watching that and Wylie Lee's analysis go re-watch and re-score the fight. I'm not saying you won't have Pac winning but you may just see how someone could score so highly on Bradley since the art of the "Sweet Science" is hit and don't be hit. Well that video shows a lot of those "big moments" that "stole" rounds were nothing but misses while Bradley controlled the entire round. SO in essence those awful misses and flurries were giving credit to BRADLEY since Pacman missed.... meaning they build more of a case to give Bradley a round while taking more away from Pacman. I can see how Bradley sees himself winning the fight 8-4, it's simple.... for 8 out of those 12 rounds he hit and didn't get hit better... I'd say Pac had a great 4 rounds in the middle but the majority of the fight Pac was missing in the majority of the rounds while Bradley wasn't. There was a noticeable difference in pac's effectiveness when Bradley was bothered by his feet in the middle of the rounds, then as the adrenaline allowed him to ignore the pain he again took over winning the last 3 rounds by the old "I hit you and you missed me" tactic.

I think this match was a lot closer then people realize because people don't realize it's not about you hearing the announcer say big blow when on camera it was an obvious miss. When you are objective and score points for defense and offense that makes it pretty simple on who won the fight if you count rounds and not listen to the bone head announcers. I do believe Pacman threw and landed the harder punches in the fight but I also believe he landed a LOT less punches then "compubox" says. I also feel when you look at who "won more rounds" it's Bradley, where as when I look at who won the "fight" I'd say Pacman landed the bigger punches.... Bradley simply won the Match.

I think all those announcers seriously hurt people and it's bull **** that they have a job... they themselves created controversy there was none imo.

wow just wow, Pac outlanded Tim nearly 2x, threw more and had higher percentage than Bradley, and you yourself agreeing that Manny landed the heavier blows, how could you think Tim Won??

IMHO your the one making the controversy in denying who really won the fight, even questioning the compubox stats, heck even Pac haters agree that Manny won the fight...

[poeticlsykuac]

wow just wow, Pac outlanded Tim nearly 2x, threw more and had higher percentage than Bradley, and you yourself agreeing that Manny landed the heavier blows, how could you think Tim Won??

IMHO your the one making the controversy in denying who really won the fight, even questioning the compubox stats, heck even Pac haters agree that Manny won the fight...

Ummmm.... compubox is bull **** man.... go count the punches yourself. Please it's completely obvious those numbers are fraudulent. you think that he averaged hitting Bradley 20 punches a round plus? LOL WOW!

Watch this:



Now watch this:



Now watch this:



NOW that you're an educated fan and not a fanboy.... now that you understand a little bit about the match and how to score one.....

Now go watch the fight with the sound off... and tell me... tell me that you can't see how Bradley can feel he won the fight... this wasn't unanimous for either side for a reason.

Guarantee your opinion changed.... if you have an open mind. But if you're just going to act like a fanboy you won't be much of anything other than an uneducated pacboy saying how obvious something was.

Remember you do get points in boxing for defense for making the opponent miss. Remember you do get points for effectively using your game plan.

[poeticlsykuac]

Oh and also remember you score a match by ADDING UP ROUNDS... not by saying who won rounds by a bigger margin when they won the round.

The question is who won more ROUNDS.... I can without a doubt say that it wasn't 11-1 like dumb @22 lederman had it. I can see someone scoring it 7-5 Pacman but I cant' see it being any further apart.... I can see someone scoring it 8-4 for Bradley based off of effective defense and offense however... if you actually objectively watch the fight rather than moronically listen to Jim Lampley mention phantom punch after phantom punch that never landed you may realize something. Bradley's Defense scored a ton of points, and his offense when you actually look at the film was more effectively....

Stop with what "compubox" says... and actually look at what happened in the fight.... during those big flurries.... they were literally 1 out of 7 and 8 punches... yet he landed at 30%? hmmmm explain that?

Score the rounds and add them up. Don't score that Manny landed harder punches in 4 out of 12 rounds and thus won undoubtedly. That's a joke of a mindset.

[Dr Rumack]

All I'm saying is, Bradley needs to be more of a sharpshooter against Manny just like when he fought Marquez and throw the lead straight hand more instead of throwing his usual wide short overhand rights/right hooks and left hooks. He will go the body as he always does, but it's not enough and the judges tends to be in favor of the guy who lands the more effective eye-catching shots upstairs.

He needs to straightening up the punches upstairs and stand his ground a bit more to find the angle to throw counter lead straight hand over the pawing right jab of Pacquiao.

I don't know if Bradley's fast enough to do that against Pacquiao. Most of his work gets done by fixing Manny's high guard in place first. Sharpshooting against Pacquiao is risky business.

[VG_Addict]

I really want Bradley to redeem himself with a win.

[KRITKL]

After watching that and Wylie Lee's analysis go re-watch and re-score the fight. I'm not saying you won't have Pac winning but you may just see how someone could score so highly on Bradley since the art of the "Sweet Science" is hit and don't be hit. Well that video shows a lot of those "big moments" that "stole" rounds were nothing but misses while Bradley controlled the entire round. SO in essence those awful misses and flurries were giving credit to BRADLEY since Pacman missed.... meaning they build more of a case to give Bradley a round while taking more away from Pacman. I can see how Bradley sees himself winning the fight 8-4, it's simple.... for 8 out of those 12 rounds he hit and didn't get hit better... I'd say Pac had a great 4 rounds in the middle but the majority of the fight Pac was missing in the majority of the rounds while Bradley wasn't. There was a noticeable difference in pac's effectiveness when Bradley was bothered by his feet in the middle of the rounds, then as the adrenaline allowed him to ignore the pain he again took over winning the last 3 rounds by the old "I hit you and you missed me" tactic.

I think this match was a lot closer then people realize because people don't realize it's not about you hearing the announcer say big blow when on camera it was an obvious miss. When you are objective and score points for defense and offense that makes it pretty simple on who won the fight if you count rounds and not listen to the bone head announcers. I do believe Pacman threw and landed the harder punches in the fight but I also believe he landed a LOT less punches then "compubox" says. I also feel when you look at who "won more rounds" it's Bradley, where as when I look at who won the "fight" I'd say Pacman landed the bigger punches.... Bradley simply won the Match.

I think all those announcers seriously hurt people and it's bull **** that they have a job... they themselves created controversy there was none imo.

I have rewatched the fight many times and even if I give Tim the close rounds the best I can give him is a draw. Yes, Manny won 6 rounds by a wide margin.
To your point of scoring defense. Yes, defense counts. But you have to do something in return, like you said hit and not be hit. Tim's jab and occasional hard shots weren't enough in my opinion to win those rounds. Pac's aggression and power punches that did land were enough. How did you score the Mosley-Pac fight? Nobody argues that was a close fight and Shane sure did make Manny miss a lot. But no one thought he was winning those rounds by keeping Pac off him.
The problem with people who think Bradley won is that they think it's based off the bad commentary or the inflated compubox numbers. Sure, some might let that influence them but from my understanding of scoring and seeing it with my own eyes Pac should of won the first fight. Tim just didn't do enough. If Timmy feels he won good that's fine, he will get his chance to prove it in a little over a week.
This fight is a make or break for both guys. Can't fcuking wait!
Sorry, if the post is hard to read. Posting on my phone sucks.