Manny Pacquiao Vs Timothy Bradley 2 & Undercards Master Discussion Thread

[fahimrana420]

Marquez was in a little bit of a bigger hole when he knocked him out. He had fought him three times and was not able to secure a win in any of the first three fights. He had tried everything and had failed so a knockout was the only way he would win.
"I am in a slightly different position than Marquez was. I have already beat Pacquiao once and that was on my first try. I don't think I have to knock him out to get a definite result but if the knockout presents itself I will take advantage of it.

"The first fight I injured my foot in the second round and by the fourth round my ankle on my other foot was also messed up. The second half of the fight I was coming on strong with two bad feet. I didn't have the movement that I normally have and I was out-working him. I was fighting all three minutes of every round and not just the last thirty seconds of every round.

[PAC-BOY]

Tim Bradley...you are gonna get hurt!!!! real bad!

[fahimrana420]

Pacquiao vs Bradley II: Timothy Bradley says two good feet will lead to victory

"The first fight I injured my foot in the second round and by the fourth round my ankle on my other foot was also messed up. The second half of the fight I was coming on strong with two bad feet. I didn't have the movement that I normally have and I was out-working him. I was fighting all three minutes of every round and not just the last thirty seconds of every round.

[fahimrana420]

The first fight I injured my foot in the second round

The first fight I injured my foot in the second round and by the fourth round my ankle on my other foot was also messed up. The second half of the fight I was coming on strong with two bad feet. I didn't have the movement that I normally have and I was out-working him. I was fighting all three minutes of every round and not just the last thirty seconds of every round

[poeticlsykuac]

I have rewatched the fight many times and even if I give Tim the close rounds the best I can give him is a draw. Yes, Manny won 6 rounds by a wide margin.
To your point of scoring defense. Yes, defense counts. But you have to do something in return, like you said hit and not be hit. Tim's jab and occasional hard shots weren't enough in my opinion to win those rounds. Pac's aggression and power punches that did land were enough. How did you score the Mosley-Pac fight? Nobody argues that was a close fight and Shane sure did make Manny miss a lot. But no one thought he was winning those rounds by keeping Pac off him.
The problem with people who think Bradley won is that they think it's based off the bad commentary or the inflated compubox numbers. Sure, some might let that influence them but from my understanding of scoring and seeing it with my own eyes Pac should of won the first fight. Tim just didn't do enough. If Timmy feels he won good that's fine, he will get his chance to prove it in a little over a week.
This fight is a make or break for both guys. Can't fcuking wait!
Sorry, if the post is hard to read. Posting on my phone sucks.

He threw over 100 more punches then Pacman (over 800), kept pacman out of rhythm for the fight... Now the total number of punches thrown seems about right... but the number landed is my quarrel. Pacman landed maybe 10 solid left hands in the whole damn fight...... EXPLAIN THAT?

Now how many hard rights did Bradley land? Now how about how many Left hooks?


Just want your thoughts on that... it's like all you did was think how could he have done enough.

Let's put this in perspective.... He fought for 8 rounds on two bad feet... and Pacman never even had him down with all those "lefts" he had him beat up? Bradley looked cleaner in this fight then any other fight I seen him in.

My question to you is wtf did Pacman do to keep the belt.... It wasn't land enough punches, it wasn't knock the other guy down (which he couldn't even with two bad damn legs), it wasn't avoiding Bradley's punches, it wasn't getting enough done.... Bradley walked forward the majority of the fight.... explain that since he's the weaker puncher.... Bradley kept pushing him back explain that? On the contrary as you can see from the Heavily Biased film it was Bradley moving away from punches NOT being moved by punches.

Sorry bro, but While as I said I can see someone having it a close fight for Pacman it certainly wasn't absolute as long as you can realize who actually did fight more effectively overall... I'm sorry but no matter how many times I've watched that fight I don't see Pacman landing more than Bradley.... Nor throwing more, nor creating more misses in more rounds than Bradley.... Sure it could be 7-5 for pacman but that means it's still hardly a controversial decision... different sides of the fight paint a different perspective.

Just my thoughts....

[T18Z]

He threw over 100 more punches then Pacman (over 800), kept pacman out of rhythm for the fight... Now the total number of punches thrown seems about right... but the number landed is my quarrel. Pacman landed maybe 10 solid left hands in the whole damn fight...... EXPLAIN THAT?

Now how many hard rights did Bradley land? Now how about how many Left hooks?


Just want your thoughts on that... it's like all you did was think how could he have done enough.

Let's put this in perspective.... He fought for 8 rounds on two bad feet... and Pacman never even had him down with all those "lefts" he had him beat up? Bradley looked cleaner in this fight then any other fight I seen him in.

My question to you is wtf did Pacman do to keep the belt.... It wasn't land enough punches, it wasn't knock the other guy down (which he couldn't even with two bad damn legs), it wasn't avoiding Bradley's punches, it wasn't getting enough done.... Bradley walked forward the majority of the fight.... explain that since he's the weaker puncher.... Bradley kept pushing him back explain that? On the contrary as you can see from the Heavily Biased film it was Bradley moving away from punches NOT being moved by punches.

Sorry bro, but While as I said I can see someone having it a close fight for Pacman it certainly wasn't absolute as long as you can realize who actually did fight more effectively overall... I'm sorry but no matter how many times I've watched that fight I don't see Pacman landing more than Bradley.... Nor throwing more, nor creating more misses in more rounds than Bradley.... Sure it could be 7-5 for pacman but that means it's still hardly a controversial decision... different sides of the fight paint a different perspective.

Just my thoughts....

So let me get this straight, the statistic that benefits Bradley you think is correct, but the stats that support Pacquaio are wrong? I see. Next, you have the assumption that his only power punch is his straight left, and as such that's all that will contribute. I don't need to tell you how ****** or wrong it is to think like that.

On to the next point, you go on about Bradley and his feet being injured. Let me tell you, have you ever broken your ankle or severely strained it? You are NOT walking on it after, and there is no way your performance is going to go UP from round 4 to then performing your best at R11/12.

Next, hilariously, you speak about how Bradley doesn't have marks on his face. Here's a tip: black fighters don't show swelling, bruising or soreness as 'easily' as people with a lighter skin. Swelling is only viewable because with swelling comes inflammation, and with inflammation excessive blood is brought to the site of the irritation, causing a very red area that is easy to see, except when you have a dark skin tone. Once again, let me repeat how utterly ****** that point you made is.

Your logic is appalling at best, you say what did Manny do to keep the belt? You essentially state he should be penalized for not being able to knock Bradley down when he had 'bad' feet. Bradley walking forward doesn't mean anything, his effective aggression was garbage, he didn't cut off the ring, his jab had no authority, he was being outclassed. He got out-landed majorly, and I don't care about people who criticize compubox so heavily for this fight, in my eyes they're ******ed and not worth even a discussion with. There is a level of error affordable in every system involving humans, but if you honestly think compubox would have a 30% or more error margin in punches landed due to Bradley being a 'slick black boxer' (which he isn't) then you are delusional.

Pacquaio won, end of - take your delusional, ******, illogical opinion elsewhere.

[poeticlsykuac]

So let me get this straight, the statistic that benefits Bradley you think is correct, but the stats that support Pacquaio are wrong? I see. Next, you have the assumption that his only power punch is his straight left, and as such that's all that will contribute. I don't need to tell you how ****** or wrong it is to think like that.

On to the next point, you go on about Bradley and his feet being injured. Let me tell you, have you ever broken your ankle or severely strained it? You are NOT walking on it after, and there is no way your performance is going to go UP from round 4 to then performing your best at R11/12.

Next, hilariously, you speak about how Bradley doesn't have marks on his face. Here's a tip: black fighters don't show swelling, bruising or soreness as 'easily' as people with a lighter skin. Swelling is only viewable because with swelling comes inflammation, and with inflammation excessive blood is brought to the site of the irritation, causing a very red area that is easy to see, except when you have a dark skin tone. Once again, let me repeat how utterly ****** that point you made is.

Your logic is appalling at best, you say what did Manny do to keep the belt? You essentially state he should be penalized for not being able to knock Bradley down when he had 'bad' feet. Bradley walking forward doesn't mean anything, his effective aggression was garbage, he didn't cut off the ring, his jab had no authority, he was being outclassed. He got out-landed majorly, and I don't care about people who criticize compubox so heavily for this fight, in my eyes they're ******ed and not worth even a discussion with. There is a level of error affordable in every system involving humans, but if you honestly think compubox would have a 30% or more error margin in punches landed due to Bradley being a 'slick black boxer' (which he isn't) then you are delusional.

Pacquaio won, end of - take your delusional, ******, illogical opinion elsewhere.

My point is this.....Bradley was the busier fighter... much busier and that seemed obvious (which the stats "say"). My issue is when you look at the fight those punches DIDN'T land.... sooooooooo how on earth could Pacman land 253 punches on a man with a broke foot, and other sprang ankle.... be a power puncher and still not KO the guy? Either Pacman is now a powder puff which we know isn't the case or Pacman just didn't hit him nearly as many times as everyone thinks. How did Bradley have a relatively clean face following the fight after having 253 punches landed?

Have you been watching Bradley for 2 day or 7 years like me? Mental toughness allows you to do things most can't including do things most can't including stand up to paint... Now you see why Pacman put him off balance so many times. Next... ummm you can say that all you want he was in TWO CASTS following the fight... ARE YOU SERIOUS? Yeah I'm sure he went and couldn't run for 6 months, or work in the ring because of that... LOL you're a joke dude. He went to the hospital there are records and x-rays.

Wait so because they don't show it as easily they don't show it at all? Umm go check Bradley's history of fights where he fought less devastating punches and had a far more swollen face. SO.... this is the one fight he doesn't get swollen from the hardest puncher he's fought? HMMMM that's rational. Yet you're educating me on how bruising and swelling happens but not in this ONE fight he's fought the hardest puncher he's fought.... WOW.... yeah sure alright that must be true.

NO I state that boxing is about scoring on defense and offense.... HE DIDN'T LAND PUNCHES ON BRADLEY MOST ROUNDS IN THE FIGHT.... That is my point. The question is quite clear.... Can you win a fight without landing any punches on the other fighter? lol Apparently yes you can win a fight without controversy when you don't actually punch him according to your incredibly rational logic.

You want to lecture me on logic yet you've not yet begun to embrace it. Look at the truth not what you want to be true.... thery'e two different things.

[jas]

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[jas]

haha so bradley said he didn't wear socks because of mike tyson and roach asked tyson and mike said "anyone who doesnt wear socks is an idiot, i wore short socks"

hahahahahahaha, bradley