Comments Thread For: Pacquiao Turns His Back on Mayweather Fight, For Now

[SamuraiSam]

This promoter you mean?

Oh man, GRUSTLER...with all due respect (because I've observed how you've conducted yourself like a FloydFan instead of a Floydiot, with logical conviction and civility), I think you screwed yourself with this reply.

First of all, it's cool how you inserted a picture of Bob to answer an obvious rhetorical question (while dodging an answer to the first three words in the question). But that ESPN article you chose to link totally backfires on you and negates the arguments that Floydfans & Floydiots continue to parrot.

Did you NOT notice that the title of the article you linked is, "Arum wants Pacquiao-Mayweather"? Sorry, but you fu#ked yourself up big time. Epic failure...LOL. And then you highlight the first sentence in Arum's quote, to provide evidence to support your stance, but ignore that second sentence which puts it all into CONTEXT, and is supportive of the article's title. To paraphrase it all in context, Bob is saying that Floyd is a b1tch to work with but he's willing to endure his pain-in-the-ass for the benefit of the sport's continued momentum.

Keep in mind, this was November 2009, after the Mayweather/Marquez and Pacquiao/Cotto fights. The article goes on to describe interest being so high that "so many venues are vying for a fight that has yet to be made demonstrates how much attention the sport is receiving." You have Lonn Trost proposing Yankee Stadium, Jerry Jones offering Cowboys Stadium, and most damaging of all to a number of Floydiots' argument, Steve Wynn's proposal:

"Perhaps it's fitting that Las Vegas officials and casino magnate Steve Wynn have already contacted Arum about staging Pacquiao-Mayweather on the Strip. One possibility would be to build a temporary, 30,000-seat outdoor arena on a vacant lot at the old Frontier, where there would be room for corporate hospitality tents and a Super Bowl-like atmosphere."

That paragraph just shot down the argument that the outdoor arena proposal only happened after Floyd's jail time. Nope, it looks more like Arum's continued vision and ideal of Steve Wynn's proposal to maximize the Super Bowl-like atmosphere for the fight.

Here's another damaging paragraph:

"I have to have discussions with our side, and when the time is right, I will be talking to Bob," Schaefer told The Associated Press. "That will probably take place face to face, and I intend that to happen very shortly."

That statement by Schaefer, plus what TMT members Ellerbee & Floyd have said in the article...all proof that Bob Arum was NOT a roadblock to the fight being made. It just becomes one now after other concessions have already been made. What's up with that? What's the next roadblock? After Pac is free of Arum, Floyd will make another lowball monetary offer so insulting that Pac will be making the "slave wages" that Floyd was crying about, so Floyd can triumphantly brag that Pac said NO? When will the BS end?

Anyway, GRUSTLER, not to rub it in, but THANKS for linking us to this article that shoots down the following Floydiot arguments:

1. Bob Arum never wanted this fight
2. TMT & GoldenBoy never wanted to negotiate with Bob Arum
3. The Outdoor Arena was Bob's pipedream excuse made up after Floyd's jailtime (when it was actually Steve Wynn's idea in 2009).

'Nuff said.

[jwheels9876]

he refused 50/50 which is why it went to mediation. he refused $40 mil no ppv.

I thought 50/50 was part of the first negotiations? Which also included the drug testing? Nobody knows who was using PED back then because nobody had ever don't the OSDT. I'm assuming Manny's people felt as if unneeded demands were being put on their fighter and Arum pushed back against it which cost us seeing the fight. Manny eventually agreed to 14 days from what I've read and Floyd declined and the fight died. Now it's not an issue.the problem, even if Manny leaves Arum is what Floyd deems Manny should be paid to fight him.Manny gets 20-25 for his fights so unless it's about 70-30 or better, I can see it not happening once again.

[The Big Dunn]

I thought 50/50 was part of the first negotiations? Which also included the drug testing? Nobody knows who was using PED back then because nobody had ever don't the OSDT. I'm assuming Manny's people felt as if unneeded demands were being put on their fighter and Arum pushed back against it which cost us seeing the fight. Manny eventually agreed to 14 days from what I've read and Floyd declined and the fight died. Now it's not an issue.the problem, even if Manny leaves Arum is what Floyd deems Manny should be paid to fight him.Manny gets 20-25 for his fights so unless it's about 70-30 or better, I can see it not happening once again.

you've never read anything credible that says Manny agreed to the fight and floyd refused at first. Manny tried to negotiate a cutoff and ultimately refused to fight. what you posted is nonsense to try and divert blame where it goes for poor decision making by Manny.

If the fight gets made, fine. I hope floyd gives manny as little as possible. IMO thats whate he deserves for refusing to fight for 50/50 and then for $40 mil, no ppv.

If the fight doesn't get made I hope floyd fights someone more respectable than the rumore Khan fight.

[jwheels9876]

you've never read anything credible that says Manny agreed to the fight and floyd refused at first. Manny tried to negotiate a cutoff and ultimately refused to fight. what you posted is nonsense to try and divert blame where it goes for poor decision making by Manny.

If the fight gets made, fine. I hope floyd gives manny as little as possible. IMO thats whate he deserves for refusing to fight for 50/50 and then for $40 mil, no ppv.

If the fight doesn't get made I hope floyd fights someone more respectable than the rumore Khan fight.

There's articles archived on espn that say exactly what I posted.just read it yesterday. im not trying to divert blame anywhere. The fight shoukd have happened years ago. And $40 million with no PPV was a ridiculous offer whether u like it or not. Now it's more feasible of course based on recent events In both of their careers.

[The Big Dunn]

There's articles archived on espn that say exactly what I posted.just read it yesterday. im not trying to divert blame anywhere. The fight shoukd have happened years ago. And $40 million with no PPV was a ridiculous offer whether u like it or not. Now it's more feasible of course based on recent events In both of their careers.

You sure?

whats changed in Manny's career that relative to the $40 mil, no ppv offer? Getting KTFO doesn't change the fact Manny never made more than $29 mil with the bulk of the ppv revenue. The only thing that changed is his IRS troubles which may force him to take a sm he doesn't want to just so he can cover the bill.

[SamuraiSam]

let me ask floyd fans a question, during the lead up to the floyd-cotto fight, floyd kept praising cotto saying he felt miguel was still undefeated since one of his losses was vs margarito cheating (i give him that) and the other because he was ''drained'' vs pacquiao. so floyd basically said he didnt respect pacquiaos win over cotto because of the weight.

using floyds logic doesnt this mean that his wins vs marquez and canelo also dont deserve any credit ?? or are fighters only ''drained'' when they fight pacquiao ??

with floyd logic, canelo is still undefeated and the bloated version of marquez he beat was a fluke and a circus.

Bro, I didn't think you'd get any takers to step up and answer your question. Too much logic that requires denial. You shouldn't be surprised. In the cult of Floydiotism, where they worship the gospel of what "Floyd said...", critical thinking, logic and reason used to make obvious conclusions about the fallacy, hypocrisy and ass-backward logic to Floyd's words is considered heresy and gets you excommunicated...kicked off of the Money Team and stripped of their TMT hats & shirts.

[The Big Dunn]

let me ask floyd fans a question, during the lead up to the floyd-cotto fight, floyd kept praising cotto saying he felt miguel was still undefeated since one of his losses was vs margarito cheating (i give him that) and the other because he was ''drained'' vs pacquiao. so floyd basically said he didnt respect pacquiaos win over cotto because of the weight.

using floyds logic doesnt this mean that his wins vs marquez and canelo also dont deserve any credit ?? or are fighters only ''drained'' when they fight pacquiao ??

with floyd logic, canelo is still undefeated and the bloated version of marquez he beat was a fluke and a circus.

the exact quote is he thought Cotto was undefeated because he was drained against Manny AND because Margs used plaster when he beat him. so that would mean if canelo or jmm had been beaten by a cheater than they would be undefeated. right?

obviously he was just taking steam out of both Cotto's losses in an effort to sell the fight to fans. whats the point in pretending he was being literal and then applying what he said to JMM and Canelo?

[SamuraiSam]

Sounds about right to be honest. I'd add that he'll happily avoid the fight altogether, he's not interested at all.

Nope, he's not interested at all. "Legacy don't pay bills." It's all about max $ for the least amount of risk to his health.

[jwheels9876]

You sure?

whats changed in Manny's career that relative to the $40 mil, no ppv offer? Getting KTFO doesn't change the fact Manny never made more than $29 mil with the bulk of the ppv revenue. The only thing is his IRS troubles which may force him to take a sm he doesn't want to just so he can cover the bill.

Back then Floyd wasn't making that kind of money either. Pretty sure he got $25 million for Oscar. That was like 2007. Then he disappeared for a while. Fought Marquez then Hatton etc... he didnt earn major bank until Cotto and now with his guarantee he's getting PAID...
To offer Manny $40 and no PPV back then was ridiculous. What would he have made? 80? 90? They were just about on equal footing then.
And yes I'm sure about the article. Just Google mayweather/pacquaio mediation and it pops right up. I don't make up arguments to sway one way or the other. I'm a fan of both guys but I enjoy watching Manny more.

[SamuraiSam]

Has any Manny Pacquiao fan EVER ask themselves. Why on Earth would a fighter of Manny Pacquiao's caliber turn down random blood testing regardless of if there were no cut offs? Who does this and then goes to fight a guy who just lost to a guy you already beat?

[Grustler, excuse me if I just copy/paste a reply (which also got BRONER'ed by another Floydiot) to a question similar to yours in another thread]

Apparently you don't know the prior history of the event that made Manny wary of blood draws too close to a fight. Try Googling about Manny's blood draws before the Morales fight in 2005. Here's a video, and google will show articles.

Anyway, it affected him adversely because he was cutting weight, it was 2 days before weigh-in, and he couldn't eat or drink anything after the blood draw. He lost that fight because he felt he had no power. That's what Roach was referring to [why he says he doesn't want blood draws 2-3 days before a fight, or having blood draws disrupt 2-3 days when his training is supposed to be peaking before fight week].

Personally, I feel it could have been psychological, all in his mind due to his cultural fears and superstitions. Do Americans/Westerners completely know and understand Filipino culture? And who knows, maybe starvation and dehydration does contribute to adverse effects of a blood draw. Detractors were taunting, "It's only a tablespoon of blood..." Bull****! I know those vials hold way more than that. And they have to fill at least two for A and B samples.

I wouldn't be surprised if Floyd discovered this fact too about Manny, when researching what Manny's weaknesses are...and that fact led him to impose Olympic style blood testing into the negotiations. It definitely wasn't just to "clean up the sport," otherwise we would be seeing more involvement and investment of time as an activist by him with the various testing agencies. Nah, it's apparently just more self-serving hypocrisy in the gospel of Floyd.

Apparently Manny has overcome his superstition and fear of blood draws, having grown accustomed and used to OST, seeing he does not have adverse side effects since he no longer has to starve and dehydrate himself to make weight. But now that he's agreeable and accepting of OST, TMT's mantra changes from "Take the test and we have a fight" to "No business with Arum." Man, it's mind-boggling how some Floydiots can't (or refuse to) see the changing mantras and their related timeline, and putting two and two together.

By the way, what's also exasperating to me is the ******ity of idiots parroting the mantra, "He has tattoos yet he's afraid of needles." It takes an imbecile to not be able to differentiate between the sizes of the two different types of needles. Tattoo needles are typically 1.5mm to 2.0mm long. To the metric impaired, that's approximately 1/16" to 3/32" of penetration into the dermis. Those types of skin pricks just make droplets of blood on the epidermis. Phlebotmy/"Venipuncture" needles may be 1" to 1-1/2" long and as the name implies, they PUNCTURE THE VEIN. You can have hemorrhagic complications if blood flow is not controlled. It's so plainly logical, just by looking at the different sizes of the needle; and even by looking at the name of the procedure itself, yet Floydiots will parrot that mantra in their cult of ignorance and denial. Simply mind-boggling...this willful denial of truth.

'Nuff said.