Another horrible stoppage from referee Howard John Foster (Froch vs Groves referee)

[IronDanHamza]

Of course it could be just be incompetence as well.

But don't you find it curious that it's typically the A side fighter who is the beneficiary of his early stoppages?

How many times has it actually been the A-Side and how many times do you genuinely believe it was stopped due to corruption? I've seen Howard Foster stop fights early on small shows that no one cares about.

I know you can't surely believe that Brook-Jackiewicz was stopped due to corruption.

[Dr Rumack]

I'm inclined to vote incompetence as well. But so many biases can feed into that it's in some ways indistinguishable from corruption. Not always as simple as brown envelopes.

It does look particularly bad when you see just how soon Foster was trying to jump in. He was trying to dive in for several seconds and when Groves came off the ropes he just grabbed him in a headlock.

I don't know about corruption, but there's no way Foster was seeing that fight impartially. He did not apply the same standards to both fighters, and at the very least that's unprofessional.

Incidentally, Paddy Fitz said that he expressed concerns about Foster doing just what he did in the lead up to the fight. Said he didn't push for Foster's removal because it could have came back to bite them in other ways.

[IronDanHamza]

I'm inclined to vote incompetence as well. But so many biases can feed into that it's in some ways indistinguishable from corruption. Not always as simple as brown envelopes.

It does look particularly bad when you see just how soon Foster was trying to jump in. He was trying to dive in for several seconds and when Groves came off the ropes he just grabbed him in a headlock.

I don't know about corruption, but there's no way Foster was seeing that fight impartially. He did not apply the same standards to both fighters, and at the very least that's unprofessional.

Incidentally, Paddy Fitz said that he expressed concerns about Foster doing just what he did in the lead up to the fight. Said he didn't push for Foster's removal because it could have came back to bite them in other ways.

Loads of people did.

Why? Because Howard Foster is known for it. He's known for his incompetence and he's known for prematurely stopping fights.

Shouldn't that answer the question here?

[RubenSonny]

Loads of people did.

Why? Because Howard Foster is known for it. He's known for his incompetence and he's known for prematurely stopping fights.

Shouldn't that answer the question here?

A person can be both incompetent and corrupt.

[IronDanHamza]

A person can be both incompetent and corrupt.

Of course.

I think it's the first one in regards to Howard Foster.

I've seen enough of him to know he's simply a terrible referee.

He'd lost control very early in the Froch fight and was all over the place.

[RubenSonny]

Of course.

I think it's the first one in regards to Howard Foster.

I've seen enough of him to know he's simply a terrible referee.

He'd lost control very early in the Froch fight and was all over the place.

If it was incompetence, why didn't he stop it in the sixth(?) round, Froch was taking plenty of punishment then.

[Pez]

Groves should have gotten a chance since he was winning but he was fading. He was on his way to be getting TKO'd anyway.

[Light_Speed]

You feel that the Brook-Jackiewicz early stoppage was due to corruption?

Why was corruption needed there?

You don't get it, Foster stops fights early in favor of the A-side fighter. Doesn't matter who's winning, who's dominating, whether or not it's needed. His mindset is to stop the B-side fighter as soon as possible.

Jackiewicz was never in the fight, he lost every round. Brook was hitting and hurting him at will.
It was a clinic & Jackiewicz was totally out of his depth. Blowing & reeling from every shot. Why let him go on?

Forget the scorecards, did that sequence warrant a stoppage? He got TKO'd with blocked punches. SMH

Of course it could be just be incompetence as well.

But don't you find it curious that it's typically the A side fighter who is the beneficiary of his early stoppages?

This is just a coincidence of course.

A-side fighter Cello Renda gets his ass kicked by B-side Danny Butler : Foster doesn't stop it until Renda gets dropped several times and looks completely done. Another coincidence.

If these guys don't get it at this point, they're in denial.

[IronDanHamza]

You don't get it, Foster stops fights early in favor of the A-side fighter. Doesn't matter who's winning, who's dominating, whether or not it's needed. His mindset is to stop the B-side fighter as soon as possible.


Forget the scorecards, did that sequence warrant a stoppage? He got TKO'd with blocked punches. SMH


This is just a coincidence of course.

A-side fighter Cello Renda gets his ass kicked by B-side Danny Butler : Foster doesn't stop it until Renda gets dropped several times and looks completely done. Another coincidence.

If these guys don't get it at this point, they're in denial.

How many of Fosters numerous early stoppages have been for the A side fighter?

[IronDanHamza]

If it was incompetence, why didn't he stop it in the sixth(?) round, Froch was taking plenty of punishment then.

Because he wasn't as hurt as Groves was in the 9th.