Originally posted by MurkaMan
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I have to disagree, it sure aint Golovkin who is gonna beat Mayweather
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Originally posted by The Noose View PostWhy do you think Floyd was hurt?
I agree that GGG could hurt Floyd with punches that didnt hurt him when Canelo, Collt etc landed them.Originally posted by harwri008 View PostHe'll have to do a lot more than graze him to hurt him. I said it would be a dangerous fight but we have seen Mayweather against dangerous fighters before. Each time he is able to negate that power with his defense. Yes if he gets hit repeatedly by Golovkin it's a done deal. But single digit grazing shots isn't going to do it. I'm not even sure 1 or 2 hard shots would do it either unless it's flush and Mayweather is caught by surprise.
Btw, I don't know where you saw Mayweather getting hurt by Canelo but I'll watch again to see if I missed something.
I think Canelo is a VERY good puncher at his own weight class and he can hurt guys his own size. Floyd is a jr ww, that can get away with fighting at jr mdw because of his skillset. Floyd was walking Canelo down and at some points, I saw Floyd absorb body shots, and to me it seemed like his body caved in a little bit. Then it instantly caved out, and he didnt even blink an eye. He so focused on fighting, that he is completely ill-caring about the pain. Those arm shots in the 8th round; Floyd was on the ropes, and he absorbed it, then countered then walked away from the ropes. To me it was bright as day that he felt it. He just hides it.
In the 2nd round he was moving on his feet, and Canelo landed to the hip while Floyd was midair, and the punch pushed his whole body back. It happened twice back to back.
In the 4th round Floyd ate a clean jab up top, and his whole body froze and stiffened. Then after the fight he admitted that he felt it all. But if that was GGG, the size difference would end the fight pretty quickly. If your reacting to Canelo's shots, then when GGG lands I think its a Macklin-type of stoppage. Floyd cant hide the pain, walk through the punch, play possum or ANY of that stuff.
Yes Floyd has negated power against guys closer to his size, or impressively against guys WAAY too big like Canelo. But GGG hits WAAAAY harder than Canelo and WE HAVE WEIGHT CLASSES for a REASON. And based off of what your saying, he could negate the power of Wladimir. At some point the size difference becomes a problem, and GGG has extraordinary power for a welterweight to deal with.Last edited by MurkaMan; 11-08-2013, 08:07 AM.
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Originally posted by RawDawgHasSpokn View PostI did respond to the whole comment. It was absurd to say the least. YOU somehow saw that Floyd was hurt by Canelo for "milliseconds" which i'm pretty sure aren't even visible to the human eye but Floyd masked his pain because he was so focused......GTFOH. Plain and simple he was not hurt nor challenged throughout the fight. Your angle of trying to build on these phantom death blows by Canelo to hype of GGG is terrible. GGG don't need to be hyped up, he's bigger and more dangerous to Floyd period.
Floyd was walking Canelo down and at some points, I saw Floyd absorb body shots, and to me it seemed like his body caved in a little bit. Then it instantly caved out, and he didnt even blink an eye. He so focused on fighting, that he is completely ill-caring about the pain like he was when he got hit by Shane. Those arm shots in the 8th round; Floyd was on the ropes, and he absorbed it, then countered then walked away from the ropes. To me it was bright as day that he felt it. He just hides it.
In the 2nd round he was moving on his feet, and Canelo landed to the hip while Floyd was midair, and the punch pushed his whole body back. It happened twice back to back.
In the 4th round Floyd ate a clean jab up top, and his whole body froze and stiffened. Then after the fight he admitted that he felt it all. But if that was GGG, the size difference would end the fight pretty quickly. If your reacting to Canelo's shots, then when GGG lands I think its a Macklin-type of stoppage. Floyd cant hide the pain, walk through the punch, play possum or ANY of that stuff. He;s just too small for a guy this big. So stop thinking he's bullet proof like he just invincible.
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Originally posted by MurkaMan View PostI think Canelo is a VERY good puncher at his own weight class and he can hurt guys his own size. Floyd is a jr ww, that can get away with fighting at jr mdw because of his skillset. Floyd was walking Canelo down and at some points, I saw Floyd absorb body shots, and to me it seemed like his body caved in a little bit. Then it instantly caved out, and he didnt even blink an eye. He so focused on fighting, that he is completely ill-caring about the pain. Those arm shots in the 8th round; Floyd was on the ropes, and he absorbed it, then countered then walked away from the ropes. To me it was bright as day that he felt it. He just hides it.
In the 2nd round he was moving on his feet, and Canelo landed to the hip while Floyd was midair, and the punch pushed his whole body back. It happened twice back to back.
In the 4th round Floyd ate a clean jab up top, and his whole body froze and stiffened. Then after the fight he admitted that he felt it all. But if that was GGG, the size difference would end the fight pretty quickly. If your reacting to Canelo's shots, then when GGG lands I think its a Macklin-type of stoppage. Floyd cant hide the pain, walk through the punch, play possum or ANY of that stuff.
Yes Floyd has negated power against guys closer to his size, or impressively against guys WAAY too big like Canelo. But GGG hits WAAAAY harder than Canelo and WE HAVE WEIGHT CLASSES for a REASON. And based off of what your saying, he could negate the power of Wladimir. At some point the size difference becomes a problem, and GGG has extraordinary power for a welterweight to deal with.
If Stevens was able to sustain an effective offense we might not even be having this conversation. The reason he wasn't tells me Golovkin's power, offense, and determination is way above average. On the other hand, it's not like he had a hard time landing against Stevens. He would have a hard time landing against Mayweather. When Stevens was able to land something he simply stepped back, reset, and continue his own offense. Again, Mayweather would land more and probably take less significant shots in return.
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Originally posted by harwri008 View PostI think Mayweather could make a good showing at MW but that would be his limit. NO I don't expect him to be able to handle the power of a heavyweight. I don't even expect him to be able to truly handle Golovkin's power. However, his boxing skills would be able to overcome Golovkin's size advantage and punching power. I would still give Golovkin more than a good chance of winning based on size and power but his skills is way behind Mayweather's IMO.
If Stevens was able to sustain an effective offense we might not even be having this conversation. The reason he wasn't tells me Golovkin's power, offense, and determination is way above average. On the other hand, it's not like he had a hard time landing against Stevens. He would have a hard time landing against Mayweather. When Stevens was able to land something he simply stepped back, reset, and continue his own offense. Again, Mayweather would land more and probably take less significant shots in return.
As far as Stevens and Mayweather; GGG doesnt have to land as cleanly on Floyd as he did on Stevens. Stevens is not as good as Floyd but Stevens is IN GGG'S weight class. GGG just has to land as much as Canelo and Ghost, and due to his size advantage, that would be enough to kill Floyd off. Its not about the skills its about the size difference, and Floyd not being a mw. And yes Stevens was able to land on GGG. But if Floyd landed on GGG who cares? Floyd is not a middleweight, he DEF wont be able to deter GGG. I could careless about GGG's lack of defense or speed, or any of that crap. Its all about the power, size advantage, and the fact that Floyd is not a mw!
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Originally posted by House of Stone View Postfloyd takes a lot of shots on arms and shoulders etc he can do that against the guys he's fighting now but I doubt he could do it with GGG's shots for 12 long rounds.
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Originally posted by therealpugilist View PostDo you think it was the 1 pound difference from his last fight that prevented Canelo from beating Mayweather better yet win more than 2 rounds, or his lack of being able to deal with the smarter, better fighter.
Dude is 23 you are probably one of those fools who picked Canelo by ko and mad he got totally schooled
Floyd knows this, that why he didn't bother making weight for Marquez, to much to give up for those 2 pounds.
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