Comments Thread For: Photo: Andre Ward, Gennady Golovkin - Face To Face

[Frank Ducketts]

i'll start with gennady golovkin:
golovkin absolutely destroyed matt macklin. macklin isn't a true talent, but he's one of the better middleweights on the planet, and he gave martinez a hard fight.

if you don't think golovkin is a very good fighter there's something you're not seeing. he's got a great chin, a very technical offense, and he's probably the hardest pound for pound puncher in boxing. his jab is turning into one of the best in the sport.

he knocked bute out in the amateurs. he won the worlds in a non olympic year. he beat dirrell, despaigne, korobov, and others.

i'd obviously pick ward to beat golovkin at this stage.

part of my post was humorous, but it's based in reality. that's kind of my thing. ward's been leveraging for money lately. it's plainly obvious. after the super six, a tournament and contract which he entered when he wasn't a draw at all, the man wanted to get paid. i don't blame him. he's the planet's second best fighter. floyd mayweather is the planet's highest paid athlete. ward wants some of that money. ward had a disgusted look on his face, and i humorously referenced it in regard to his current pay grade. when you contrast it with golovkin, who smiles from ear to ear and looks like his mother dresses him, it's a funny picture.


golovkin would beat mayweather. he'd stop him. either that, or floyd would be on his bike all night. miguel cotto had mayweather on the ropes, and he hit him with jabs. the golovkin fight would end with floyd taking punishment. floyd will never even fight him. he's a true middleweight. he was a middleweight in the amateurs. the guy is huge, experienced, has a great chin, and is extremely powerful.

GG can't beat Floyd. If Floyd is given enough time to bulk up, he'll whip GGs ass!

[slicksouthpaw16]

Do you know how NDam got to be the champ? Obviously not. The long version is hilarious, but I'll keep it brief:

1. Jan 2012 he has WBA interim belt, ordered to fight regular WBA champ GGG. He drops the belt, after previously refusing to fight him for vacant regular belt
2. Immediately fights for interim WBO belt after some hilarious shenanigans (look up Equatorial Guinea)
3. Pirog signs to fight GGG, NDam immediately has him stripped 3 months from winning the interim belt
4. Quillin fights him 2 months later

I remember when that happened, and I knew back then that there must have been contract issues such as venue, money ect that we didnt know about. Everything that goes on behind the scenes, doesn't always come out to the public. Don't fall into the "he's afraid" of him group. These are fighters. Like do you really think that a fighter would go his manager and say "he's too good for me"? Then he goes and fights a power punching contender in his next fight and in his hometown as well (Quillin). Regardless of what happened, it doesn't take away from Quillin beating an actual champion and not taking the "fight a fringe contender for an easy strap" route.

[Frank Ducketts]

GG is not an elite fighter. He can be if he beats Stevens and then Ward.

[HeroBando]

I remember when that happened, and I knew back then that there must have been contract issues such as venue, money ect that we didnt know about. Everything that goes on behind the scenes, doesn't always come out to the public. Don't fall into the "he's afraid" of him group. These are fighters. Like do you really think that a fighter would go his manager and say "he's too good for me"? Then he goes and fights a power punching contender in his next fight and in his hometown as well (Quillin). Regardless of what happened, it doesn't take away from Quillin beating an actual champion and not taking the "fight a fringe contender for an easy strap" route.

I just explained to you, NDam was offered to fight GGG for that same belt, he passed, as did Mundine. Then eventually dropped his interim belt when ordered to fight him.

And no, he was no a legit champ, one of the paperest champs in boxing. Schemed his way into an interim title shot with no WBO ranking, then immeitely had the champ stripped for trying to unify, and defended 0 times.

[New England]

You obviously brought Macklin up to prove something, which i don't know what. To this date, he's probably the best name on GGG's resume, which is why i find it laughable that you talk about what Quillin hasn't done. Hes an elite middleweight because he actually beat an undefeated champion in his prime (N'Jikim) and his other solid wins. Unlike GGG, Quillin actually beat a champion to get his title. It wasn't given to him.

And make sure your fact's are accurate before putting it out there. Quillin never said that he simply didn't want to fight him. He basically said that it will be bigger when GGG has a bigger name when they both continue to win down the line. He said that the fight is too risky right NOW but said he wants to fight him in the future. I see you are one of the kind of posters that like to twist information, and try to pass it as facts.



So do you think GGG has beaten better fighter's than Quillin?






So why wasn't he on the ropes against Alvarez or Guerrero as much as he was vs Cotto and Oscar? This is why i feel like you don't have a complete grasp of boxing and how/why fighter employ certain tactics. He was on the ropes against Oscar and Cotto, because he knew that they were squared up when they attacked him there. He was comfortable. You didn't see when he slightly buckled Oscar with that straight counter off the ropes? Or how Cotto actually gassed out from attacking Floyd on the ropes and completely faded in the late round's because of it? Floyd knew what he was doing. Against GGG he wouldn't be on the ropes because of the danger factor of fighting a bigger guy. The Alvarez fight showed that he can still box for 12 round's using his legs. When he got on the ropes, it was only for a short time period.

And if you feel like Floyd was on the ropes in the Cotto fight because of his legs, then the same could be said when he fought Chavez at super featherweight, going by your logic. This is exactly what i mean. In the Chavez fight, Floyd was on the ropes early because he felt that he could handle it. When he seen that Chavez was too strong in close, he started to keep the fight in the middle of the ring and pick him apart. Its all how he feels. When they say Floyd is one of the best adjusters of all time, they ain't just talking ****. Now mind you, I'm not even a huge Floyd fan but its clear. I have to question your knowledge, if you think GGG would simply back Floyd into the ropes, beat him up and win by KO that easily.



GGG has good power, though he doesn't hit as hard as Mathysse or Wladimir pound for pound. If he scores a one punch KO, its normally with a body shot (which pretty much anyone can do when placed in the right spot). I don't even know if he hits harder than Angulo, who blew Rosado out early while GGG couldn't take him off of his feet. In fact, without all of the blood from cut's, that fight was actually competitive.


They said that about Alvarez about how "oh Floyd will never fight him hes too strong and good" so we've all been there before. And do you really think Floyd would, or even should go all the way to 160? I know you're not that simple (though I'm not sure based on some of your posts). GGG has even stated that he would be coming down to 154, so the possibility of him being drained should also be equated.

again with the breaking the post up. how on earth am i supposed to respond to that sh#t, man? it's petty, and reduces the greater points into minutae.

i was at the quillin vs ndam fight. i had a great seat. ndam is the very definition of hte word "paper champion." he's an athletic kid, and he was good sized and strong, but he can hardly box on the world level. when he wasn't getting dropped by quillin, quillin looked pretty ordinary. the fight didn't get close on the cards because of hte knockdown, but it was quite evident that quillin had some issues with stamina.

an ndam decision isn't a better win than an early stoppage of macklin. ndam is the more talented guy, but matt macklin is hte much mre accomplished boxer, and that's what you go by.



you seem to think that mayweather will be impervious to being backed up by golovkin. golovkin has a telephone pole jab, a true command of pressure in terms of being a ring general, and a "don't take no for an answer" type of chin. victor ortiz backed mayweather up to the ropes. it's not impossible to get him on the ropes. so far nobody has been able to put hands on him and break him down when he's gotten there.

golovkin undeniably pressures better than any fighter mayweather has faced. to say anything else is evidence of bias. he also punches harder, and has a better chin.


again, i was at the maywather - alvarez fight. i didn't bet a ton, but i bet a floyd decision @ -180. easiest money i ever made. i'd pick mayweather to get stopped by golovkin, and get decent odds.

if you're comparing alvarez to golovkin and thinking it's relevant you're in for a shock. alvarez had no real amateur background. a few years ago he was a 19 year old welterweight. before the trout fight he had been completely spoon fed. it wasn't his fault, but that was the reality. he was young, green, a jr middleweight, and has much less skills. golovkin hits harder, takes a better shot, is the better technician, has the real jab, and is actually a pressure fighter. alvarez is a boxer. that's what he wants to do.

[BROOKLYN CESAR]

Ward whips his arse and wins by UD!! Once again proving to be a class above!!! Way to many big fights under wards belt for him to be afraid of 3G so get off that Bull****!!

[slicksouthpaw16]

I just explained to you, NDam was offered to fight GGG for that same belt, he passed, as did Mundine. Then eventually dropped his interim belt when ordered to fight him.

And no, he was no a legit champ, one of the paperest champs in boxing. Schemed his way into an interim title shot with no WBO ranking, then immeitely had the champ stripped for trying to unify, and defended 0 times.

So since clearly you were behind the scenes with both camps at the time of negotiations, how much money was offered when it went to purse bid? (Which it did) And where was the fight going to be held at? If you don't know any of these answers, you have zero ground to tell us who did what. All you are doing is saying what you think happened and claiming that he "ran" from GGG (which is all of his fans are doing nowadays anyway).

I like how you say he was scared of GGG, but he left his country and fought Quillin in his hometown.

[Andre Ward]

This would be the classic boxer vs. puncher. And I see Ward winning a possible match up convincingly. Triple G is a good boxer but Ward is too skilled and crafty and would take away Golovkin's strengths.

[HeroBando]

So since clearly you were behind the scenes with both camps at the time of negotiations, how much money was offered when it went to purse bid? (Which it did) And where was the fight going to be held at? If you don't know any of these answers, you have zero ground to tell us who did what. All you are doing is saying what you think happened and claiming that he "ran" from GGG (which is all of his fans are doing nowadays anyway).

I like how you say he was scared of GGG, but he left his country and fought Quillin in his hometown.

I'm sure he wouldn't have gotten nearly as much for GGG at the time, but that's no excuse if you're ordered to fight him, or offered your first title shot.

But look, the guy was not even WBO ranked when he got them to sanction the Bursak fight for WBO interim title shot, cause he had that stadium ready in Equatorial Guinea and Pirog was not available. which never happens of course, he fights in France after Pirog already makes a defense. So the guy was a bogus interim champ, and had the champ stripped for trying to unify, had zero defenses of either belt, and you think this is a legit champ?

[slicksouthpaw16]

again with the breaking the post up. how on earth am i supposed to respond to that sh#t, man? it's petty, and reduces the greater points into minutae.

i was at the quillin vs ndam fight. i had a great seat. ndam is the very definition of hte word "paper champion." he's an athletic kid, and he was good sized and strong, but he can hardly box on the world level. when he wasn't getting dropped by quillin, quillin looked pretty ordinary. the fight didn't get close on the cards because of hte knockdown, but it was quite evident that quillin had some issues with stamina.

an ndam decision isn't a better win than an early stoppage of macklin. ndam is the more talented guy, but matt macklin is hte much mre accomplished boxer, and that's what you go by.



you seem to think that mayweather will be impervious to being backed up by golovkin. golovkin has a telephone pole jab, a true command of pressure in terms of being a ring general, and a "don't take no for an answer" type of chin. victor ortiz backed mayweather up to the ropes. it's not impossible to get him on the ropes. so far nobody has been able to put hands on him and break him down when he's gotten there.

golovkin undeniably pressures better than any fighter mayweather has faced. to say anything else is evidence of bias. he also punches harder, and has a better chin.


again, i was at the maywather - alvarez fight. i didn't bet a ton, but i bet a floyd decision @ -180. easiest money i ever made. i'd pick mayweather to get stopped by golovkin, and get decent odds.

if you're comparing alvarez to golovkin and thinking it's relevant you're in for a shock. alvarez had no real amateur background. a few years ago he was a 19 year old welterweight. before the trout fight he had been completely spoon fed. it wasn't his fault, but that was the reality. he was young, green, a jr middleweight, and has much less skills. golovkin hits harder, takes a better shot, is the better technician, has the real jab, and is actually a pressure fighter. alvarez is a boxer. that's what he wants to do.

You basically just said that Macklin is more accomplished than Hassan, when he's lost all of his biggest fights and was KTFO in 2 of them. That's all I needed to hear.