Comments Thread For: Photo: Andre Ward, Gennady Golovkin - Face To Face

[J The UnBiased]

only on NSB can you have an experienced ametuer pedigree and be considered an elite professional lol. I don't get it, I really don't. Only on NSB can you beat every threat in your division and then beat the #1 guy in the division above you, and be considered to possibly lose a fight to a guy under your division that has not fought 1 top fighter in his entire professional career. I really don't get it.

[slicksouthpaw16]

only on NSB can you have an experienced ametuer pedigree and be considered an elite professional lol. I don't get it, I really don't. Only on NSB can you beat every threat in your division and then beat the #1 guy in the division above you, and be considered to possibly lose a fight to a guy under your division that has not fought 1 top fighter in his entire professional career. I really don't get it.

Exactly what i mean. There has been medalist in the Olympics that has been beaten by absolute journeyman in the pro's.

[El Angel]

Ward by clear UD.

[J The UnBiased]

Man shut the hell up. I've never seen a boxer make grown men ***** and complain like I've seen with Golovkin recently on here. Ward, Mayweather and Pac all fought absolutely nobody til they got their chances either. Golovkin's climbing up the ladder, it's not out the realm of possibility he reaches the top and potentially beat someone like Ward

...........True to a certain extent, but they were climbing up the ladder when they were teenagers and in their early 20's. GGG is in his 30's! He's waaaaaaay passed the climbing up the ladder stage. There is no excuse for Golovkin not having one single elite fighter on his resume at this point. The hype is unwarranted and so are your tears.

[New England]

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That's is the only reason why people are blowing that win out of proportion, because he gave Martinez a hard fight, but was still knocked out. He didn't win, and that was an injured Martinez.

I never said that he wasn't a good fighter. I'm basically saying that hes overrated and unproven against elite middleweights such as Quillin, Martinez ect and his next fight is a lose/lose situation as Stevens isn't elite either.

Hardest puncher in boxing? I think Mathysse, Wladmiir and Alvarez may have something to say about that.



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I find parts of this one humorous as well, like this last paragraph.


If you consider "being on his bike all night" Mayweather out boxing and pot shotting him to death, then yes you are right. People don't seem to understand that Mayweather is on the ropes because he wants to be, just look at his last fight. The few times that he was actually on the ropes, he was countering with precise right hands. I think people forget the issues that Ouma and Rosado gave Golovkin. Cotto and Oscar were landing jab's because they are excellent boxers in addition to punchers. Golovkin only jab's to find away inside. That's his game, is to pressure but skillfully come inside but hes a pressure fighter. GGG couldn't get on his toes and box like Cotto could. Hes far less dimensional.

nobody is blowing hte macklin win out of proportion. he's no world class talent. i've said that all along. what he was was a top 5-10 middleweight, who beat sturm on any honest card, and who gave martinez a very hard fight. its you who isn't giving that win the proper measure of credit.

golovkin is unproven, yet quillin is an elite middleweight? by doing what? fighting winky wright's dead body? quillin has come out and said that he won't fight golovkin.

golovkin is a higher rated fighter than quillin by anybody who knows anything about the division. that you rank quillin as "elite," while golovkin is not, says all i need to know about your understanding of the division.

in the future, don't break posts into minutae. it detracts from anybody's overall argument, including your own. listen to how i've got to address each of your petty attempts at making points on their own. no broad arguments can be discussed in this manner.


mayweather was not on the ropes against cotto because he wanted to be, rofl. you think that's how he'd fight cotto if he were 25? go watch that fight again. he was on the ropes because he was on 35 year old legs. he is not the fighter he was 5-10 years ago. golovkin's not going to get on his toes, and it won't be necessitated. he's going to back mayweather up with a jab and land power punches. floyd will back up for the entire fight. against alvarez (a fight i was at) he picked spots to initiate his own jab and use the center of the ring. he would never set his feet any longer than he had to against golovkin. eventually it would lead to him needing the ropes on 36 year old legs, where he'd eat shots and eventually go down.


that you consider alvarez a better p4p puncher than golovkin says all i need to know about your understanding of punching power. if you really believe that then you have no idea what you're looking at when you're watching power punchers. none. that's a laughable notion.



these two will never fight, and that supports my argument. mayweather and his people wouldn't touch that fight with a ten foot pole. if they thought it were some easy fight, where they could "pot shot this mfer" they would take the middleweight championship from him. they will never fight, though, and that's because golovkin is too big, and would beat the f#Ck out of any welterweight on the planet.

[New England]

only on NSB can you have an experienced ametuer pedigree and be considered an elite professional lol. I don't get it, I really don't. Only on NSB can you beat every threat in your division and then beat the #1 guy in the division above you, and be considered to possibly lose a fight to a guy under your division that has not fought 1 top fighter in his entire professional career. I really don't get it.

i can only assume you're alluding to my post, which cited golovkin's amateur background. if you actually read my posts, you'd know that i'd favor ward to beat golovkin.

i find it funny that you so quickly discredit an amateur career when talking about golovkin, while your points reference a gold medalist in the amateurs in andre ward. being a top amateur, and beating many men whose amateur styles translated well into the pros (bute, dirrell,) doesn't make for a preordained great professional boxer, but to so quickly discredit it proves you've no idea what you're talking about. golovkin had a professional style throughot the amateurs, yet was an international level amateur boxer for nearly a decade.


let me get this straight, who is the middleweight not named martinez that you rate higher than golovkin?

do you think martinez would beat golovkin if they fought?

do you think floyd mayweather would beat golovkin if they fought?

[New England]

...........True to a certain extent, but they were climbing up the ladder when they were teenagers and in their early 20's. GGG is in his 30's! He's waaaaaaay passed the climbing up the ladder stage. There is no excuse for Golovkin not having one single elite fighter on his resume at this point. The hype is unwarranted and so are your tears.

geale dropped a world title to avoid a golovkin fight.

pirog turned down a golovkin fight

hatton is on record saying that he wouldn't fight golovkin (he promotes martin murray.)

hearn won't put barker in with golovkin.

dibella is on record all over the internet scoffing at the golovkin fight. you don't scoff at a fight you want to take. martinez people are ducking golovkin.


of course, you don't actually know any of that stuff, and have some irrational reasoning behind discrediting golovkin.



i can't see how anybody could take a look at martinez last fight, and golovkin's last fight, and discredit anything golovkin does.



i am one of the biggest andre ward fans on this website, for the record. i have no biases against him. i pick him to beat golovkin. i might be one of the biggest andre ward fans east of the mississippi. at some point, hopefully when ward fights in vegas, i am going to get on a plane and buy a ringside seat to one of his fights.

[bojangles1987]

...........True to a certain extent, but they were climbing up the ladder when they were teenagers and in their early 20's. GGG is in his 30's! He's waaaaaaay passed the climbing up the ladder stage. There is no excuse for Golovkin not having one single elite fighter on his resume at this point. The hype is unwarranted and so are your tears.

There's an incredibly legit and undeniable excuse. They have all turned him down at some point or another. Everyone at middleweight has turned down Golovkin at some point. Barker and Geale's promoters just did it. Quillin has said he doesn't want it multiple times. Martinez's promoter has made multiple excuses.

It's not even opinion, it's documented fact.

[J The UnBiased]

i can only assume you're alluding to my post, which cited golovkin's amateur background. if you actually read my posts, you'd know that i'd favor ward to beat golovkin.

i find it funny that you so quickly discredit an amateur career when talking about golovkin, while your points reference a gold medalist in the amateurs in andre ward. being a top amateur, and beating many men whose amateur styles translated well into the pros (bute, dirrell,) doesn't make for a preordained great professional boxer, but to so quickly discredit it proves you've no idea what you're talking about. golovkin had a professional style throughot the amateurs, yet was an international level amateur boxer for nearly a decade.


let me get this straight, who is the middleweight not named martinez that you rate higher than golovkin?

do you think martinez would beat golovkin if they fought?

do you think floyd mayweather would beat golovkin if they fought?

You've obviously given yourself too much credit as none of what I posted was in reference to anything you have stated in this thread. If you felt that I targeted you, cool. But I just would have addressed you if that were the case, slow up my man, I made a general post. I know you're a Ward fan, and as you can see in my sig, so am I.

But in regards to this post, I have not discredited anyone's ametuer background. It plays a vital part in a fighters make up. Point to me where I discredited anyone's ametuer pedigree, of course you can't but it makes for interesting conversation.

As far as middleweights that rank higher than GGG, only one, Sergio. Do I rank GGG over Quillen? Absolutely not. They're dead even as far as accomplishments and resume. As far as I'm concerned at 160, it's Sergio and the rest.

Do I think Sergio beats GGG? Yes, I do. Could I be wrong? Possibly, but I'll take the proven fighter over the one that hasn't been tested. Sue me.

Do I think Floyd beats GGG? At Middleweight? No, there are weight classes for a reason. Could I be wrong? Possibly.

Do I think Floyd beats GGG at 154? Yes.....Easily.

[sugarsmosley]

Ward VS. GGG would probably be on HBO ppv sadly.