Comments Thread For: Photo: Andre Ward, Gennady Golovkin - Face To Face

[Bushidō]

only on NSB can you have an experienced ametuer pedigree and be considered an elite professional lol. I don't get it, I really don't. Only on NSB can you beat every threat in your division and then beat the #1 guy in the division above you, and be considered to possibly lose a fight to a guy under your division that has not fought 1 top fighter in his entire professional career. I really don't get it.

I think GGG is elite based on what I've seen him do in the ring. Yes he doesn't have an elite fighter on his record but I would certainly favor him OVER Martinez right now. Then when he beats Martinez people will say well he's over his prime which is true. There aren't many elite guys at the moment that GGG can fight at 160 right now.

Sometimes we just have to make judgements and assumptions based on what we've seen in the ring. These days it seems hard to make the fantasy fights we want to see.

[New England]

Ward VS. GGG would probably be on HBO ppv sadly.

it would ahve to be, in all likelyhood.\

golovkin would take an HBO main event budget for the fight, but ward almost surely would not. he's the A side, and he deserves A side money.

the issue with HBO fights is that the big ones cut into the budget for the rest of the year. hbo ponied up a ton of money for alexander - bradley, for example, and it killed their budget for the rest of the year. the fight was bad for the stock of both, as it ended in a head clash ******.


i don't like to pay extra money on top of the $20 i shell out for each hbo month, but if it gets the fight made i'll do it. it's literaly the only way to make the fight. ward won't take the same money he took for rodriguez when he fights golovkin, and he shouldn't. factor in the extra money golovkin brings, and k2's intent to get some of that back in purses, it's going to be an expensive fight for the network to put on.

[J The UnBiased]

There's an incredibly legit and undeniable excuse. They have all turned him down at some point or another. Everyone at middleweight has turned down Golovkin at some point. Barker and Geale's promoters just did it. Quillin has said he doesn't want it multiple times. Martinez's promoter has made multiple excuses.

It's not even opinion, it's documented fact.

Peter Quillen has said he wants it multiple times.

[J The UnBiased]

geale dropped a world title to avoid a golovkin fight.

pirog turned down a golovkin fight

hatton is on record saying that he wouldn't fight golovkin (he promotes martin murray.)

hearn won't put barker in with golovkin.

dibella is on record all over the internet scoffing at the golovkin fight. you don't scoff at a fight you want to take. martinez people are ducking golovkin.


of course, you don't actually know any of that stuff, and have some irrational reasoning behind discrediting golovkin.



i can't see how anybody could take a look at martinez last fight, and golovkin's last fight, and discredit anything golovkin does.



i am one of the biggest andre ward fans on this website, for the record. i have no biases against him. i pick him to beat golovkin. i might be one of the biggest andre ward fans east of the mississippi. at some point, hopefully when ward fights in vegas, i am going to get on a plane and buy a ringside seat to one of his fights.

Everything that you stated is the truth. No one's dis*****g that Golovkin has been ducked. Could the Quillen fight have been made? I believe so. Not putting words in your mouth but I think the saying of "Quillen" ducked GGG is over rated. I think Danny Jacobs is also a good fight for Golovkin. Not really a necessity for casuals, but I think Danny is one of the better fighters at 160 who would fight Gennady. Dibella wants to stay away from him because of the current state that Martinez was in. I understand him not wanting to put Sergio in there with him until he got surgery. Now that's taken care of and I think that fight is on the way. GGG's opportunity's are coming. But I have to see him over come the coming threats before I praise him for things that he might do in the future.

[New England]

only on NSB can you have an experienced ametuer pedigree and be considered an elite professional lol. I don't get it, I really don't. Only on NSB can you beat every threat in your division and then beat the #1 guy in the division above you, and be considered to possibly lose a fight to a guy under your division that has not fought 1 top fighter in his entire professional career. I really don't get it.

You've obviously given yourself too much credit as none of what I posted was in reference to anything you have stated in this thread. If you felt that I targeted you, cool. But I just would have addressed you if that were the case, slow up my man, I made a general post. I know you're a Ward fan, and as you can see in my sig, so am I.

But in regards to this post, I have not discredited anyone's ametuer background. It plays a vital part in a fighters make up. Point to me where I discredited anyone's ametuer pedigree, of course you can't but it makes for interesting conversation.

As far as middleweights that rank higher than GGG, only one, Sergio. Do I rank GGG over Quillen? Absolutely not. They're dead even as far as accomplishments and resume. As far as I'm concerned at 160, it's Sergio and the rest.

Do I think Sergio beats GGG? Yes, I do. Could I be wrong? Possibly, but I'll take the proven fighter over the one that hasn't been tested. Sue me.

Do I think Floyd beats GGG? At Middleweight? No, there are weight classes for a reason. Could I be wrong? Possibly.

Do I think Floyd beats GGG at 154? Yes.....Easily.

question is answered above. post implies that amateur backgrounds have no value.

"only in NSB" has a negative pretext. it's quite obvious what is being implied.

[bojangles1987]

Peter Quillen has said he wants it multiple times.

Yet he's always ended up making the excuse that, "the fight needs to marinate" when there's any interest in making it. He said it earlier this year even though the fight can't be made.

[New England]

]Everything that you stated is the truth. No one's dis*****g that Golovkin has been ducked[/I]. Could the Quillen fight have been made? I believe so. Not putting words in your mouth but I think the saying of "Quillen" ducked GGG is over rated. I think Danny Jacobs is also a good fight for Golovkin. Not really a necessity for casuals, but I think Danny is one of the better fighters at 160 who would fight Gennady. Dibella wants to stay away from him because of the current state that Martinez was in. I understand him not wanting to put Sergio in there with him until he got surgery. Now that's taken care of and I think that fight is on the way. GGG's opportunity's are coming. But I have to see him over come the coming threats before I praise him for things that he might do in the future.

in a previous post you've stated that golovkin has "no excuses" for not fighting an elite fighter at this satge, and the bolded quote refutes that directly.

we can't give golovkin credit for wins over fighters that avoided him, but we've got to recognize that it's going to have an effect on his resume. being ducked is an excuse for not having fought these guys.

[J The UnBiased]

I think GGG is elite based on what I've seen him do in the ring. Yes he doesn't have an elite fighter on his record but I would certainly favor him OVER Martinez right now. Then when he beats Martinez people will say well he's over his prime which is true. There aren't many elite guys at the moment that GGG can fight at 160 right now.

Sometimes we just have to make judgements and assumptions based on what we've seen in the ring. These days it seems hard to make the fantasy fights we want to see.

If GGG beats Martinez, which I don't believe he will, I'll give Golovkin all the credit in the world and I'll be able to join in with the rest of this website in praising him. It seems like you guys have a lot of fun lol. But seriously, all I'm asking for is reason. Can we at least see Golovkin beat elite competition before we consider him elite. It's unfair to other fighters who have done what it takes. We don't call Broner great, because he hasn't proven it yet. Let's apply that same standard to every fighter.

[J The UnBiased]

question is answered above. post implies that amateur backgrounds have no value.

"only in NSB" has a negative pretext. it's quite obvious what is being implied.

you're clearly reaching.

[J The UnBiased]

in a previous post you've stated that golovkin has "no excuses" for not fighting an elite fighter at this satge, and the bolded quote refutes that directly.

we can't give golovkin credit for wins over fighters that avoided him, but we've got to recognize that it's going to have an effect on his resume. being ducked is an excuse for not having fought these guys.

I also stated that Quillin and Jacobs would be good fights for him where I would consider him elite. I think both of those fights could have been made. You can argue Quillin, but I think the fight could of happened. And Danny Jacobs has no problem with the fight either. Had he beat 1 out of 2 of these guys, I would agree that GGG is this monster you all claim.