War of the minds: Mayweather Vs. Martinez

[radioraheem]

He got caught with one vs Shane in the second. It happens, a punch gets through.

Anyway Martinez does have a high iq as well. Him and Ward prepare their plan in the gym flawlessly, Floyd does it in the ring, its diff. Only difference is Martinez will go to plan B if he starts being over taken. Plan beast mode, throw a ton of punches and not back down.

Hopkins also prepares outside the ring and is a master at implementing his style and frustration. All diff. All impressive.

The thing that gives Martinez a shot vs Floyd is his overall package. Not only can Martinez keep up, is smart, hits harder, but hes also bigger and he has that missle of a jab. He could probably outwork Floyd. Floyd would have to dig deep and do what he did in the lower classes and engage him. Floyds chin is underrated. His legs arent what they used to be so I'd expect him to stand and trade two-three punch combinations. He wouldnt win a pot shot contest with a guy who can throw up to 1000 punches with power and speed imo. I favor floyd, but I wouldnt bet a dime on him.

What he was saying is that Floyd would never allow himself to get caught with like that in the final round where he dominated all prior 11 rounds! Floyd would've went on cruise control in that remaining round. In Floyd's last fight against Cotto, he likely could've stopped or at least got a knockdown on Cotto. But instead, he went on cruise control. Rather not take the risk when he knows he already won the fight on the scorecards.

When Floyd got his by Mosley, that was not just a lucky punch. Like oh that just happens. No! That punch was very strategic and exploited a weakness/opening in Floyd's defense. Whereas Martinez's knockdown was due to being careless and taking unnecessary risk.

Martinez is not in Floyd's league when it comes to boxing I.Q. Martinez isn't even on Marquez's league in boxing I.Q.

[GrandpaBernard]

Did you read my post? I was referring to you saying Sergio is most effective sitting back and countering. I think he's most effective mixing in smart brawling with moving around and pot shotting.

Sitting back and countering is Floyd's style.

and the good thing is Floyd doesn't ever allow things to become a brawl.

Floyd's jab and straight come into effect if they have a pot shotting contest. Martinez lead hand rest position after he shoots his jab makes him vulnerable for a return fire jab. Floyd's left hand is great at parrying southpaw jabs. He could slap down Martinez jab and come back with his own.

Floyd knows how to flick his jab to measure and check setting up a right to the body, what Macklin successfully did against Martinez.

Those low hands of Martinez aren't going to help him against Floyd's lead right to the face.

It sounds like you think Martinez would win a fight between them. Mind I ask you how dominantly you think Martinez wins?

[brains4boxing]

@154

sergio martinez can make weight......hell wrong wit ya....battle of the pound for pounds....this is what boxing is about sergio vs mayweather lets do it

[Bushbaby]

Lol at all the Floyd fans saying how Floyd will win, but yet they don't want the fight, weird.

[radioraheem]

That is basically what Jones said after the fight. This is exactly why I started to be a fan of Sergio's so many years ago. I like his style and if anyone noticed Jones Jr was giving him suttle props for it too.

Personally, I don't like his style. He's not a student of the sweet science, not a throwback boxer. He's an awkward fighting who lacks defense, fighting with his hands down, and throwing punches wildly from any given angle regardless of how bad it is. He does not remind me of Roy Jones Jr.

He's reminiscent of Naseem Hamed and Manny Pacquaio. Interestingly enough, each of these fighters are AWKWARD southpaws, who have a tendency to fight wildly, throwing punches from any angle in the universe, and each one lacks defense! The main fundamental difference between each of these fighters is that Pacquaio at least is smart enough to put his goddamn hands up!

[timboslice708]

I watched that fight too. Neither of those guys were brawling with Martinez when they had success.

Macklin did better than Barker though

and the good thing is Floyd doesn't ever allow things to become a brawl.

Floyd's jab and straight come into effect if they have a pot shotting contest. Martinez lead hand rest position after he shoots his jab makes him vulnerable for a retuirn fire jab. Floyd's left hand is great at parrying southpaw jabs. He could slap down Martinez jab and come back with his own.

Floyd knows how to flick his jab to measure and check setting up a right to the body, what Macklin successfully did against Martinez.

Those low hands of Martinez aren't going to help him against Floyd's lead right to the face.

It sounds like you think Martinez would win a fight between them. Mind I ask you how dominantly you think Martinez wins?

Completely agree with your statement about Floyd, but he's fighting a bigger fighter with a style he hasn't ever faced. If we're going pot shot contest, Martinez also has a good chance, because of his movement, south paw stance, angles. If you have a crisp jab, you can hit Floyd, evidenced by odlh and cotto. Martinez uses that same style, where he slaps down your jab and shoots a left right over it. Plus, with his size, I don't think he can avoid a brawl. Yes, I think Sergio beats Floyd. Doesn't mean Im 100% sure about it. That's why they get in the ring and fight. But going into the fight, I'd give Martinez a much bigger advantage, due to size. Floyd is too small to be fighting maravilla.

Heading to the gym, so probably won't respond for a minute.

[bojangles1987]

Martinez's ring IQ is not favorable to Mayweather's at all. Mayweather has a decisive edge there.

[timboslice708]

At the end of the day. I think your asking too much of Floyd to fight Martinez. The guys a natural 154 lb. fighter that's dominated middleweights. He has a south paw stance, can move extremelly well, can box, brawl, great chin, mentally and physically strong enough to not get frustrated with Floyd's punches, ala ortiz/Mosley. Confidence is through the roof. Will dig deep and not quit. I mean, if Floyd ain't trying to fight the mini version of that (pacquiao), he doesn't touch Sergio with a 20ft. pole.

[elfag]

Personally, I don't like his style. He's not a student of the sweet science, not a throwback boxer. He's an awkward fighting who lacks defense, fighting with his hands down, and throwing punches wildly from any given angle regardless of how bad it is. He does not remind me of Roy Jones Jr.

He's reminiscent of Naseem Hamed and Manny Pacquaio. Interestingly enough, each of these fighters are AWKWARD southpaws, who have a tendency to fight wildly, throwing punches from any angle in the universe, and each one lacks defense! The main fundamental difference between each of these fighters is that Pacquaio at least is smart enough to put his goddamn hands up!

Martinez and Hamed, yes very similiar. But Pac? Pac is nothing like them. He has a bob and weave style and he keeps his hands up the majority of the time. The only thing they have in common are being southpaws and using odd angles.

[boliodogs]

I think Martinez would win by ud. or ko. Martinez is older but I think Floyd is further past prime. Martinez is much bigger, hits much harder, is just as fast and takes a punch better. Floyd can't hurt him but he can hurt Floyd. Martinez has a higher workrate and both a good jab and being a southpaw spell trouble for Floyd. Martinez still loves to fight. I don't think Floyd loves to fight anymore or he would fight more often. He may be retired right now. If you don't love what you are doing you don't do it quite as well. I have not heard a word yet from the usually vocal Floyd as to when he will fight, who he will fight, or if he will fight again at all. Floyd has already made a huge fortune but Martinez is still hungry.