Can Zab beat Garcia??

[SpeedKillz]

I take it you didn't see the Mabuza fight? he KO'd Santa Cruz viciously too. Remember power is the last thing to go, ask Mike Jones about Randall Bailey.

I don't know how you can say Judah doesn't have a good chin, he recently went 12 rounds with Matthysse. He doesn't have good defence but that's a different matter.



and Khan's speed was killing Garcia...imagine if Khan had genuine power.

Garcia isn't that good, I'm not the only one to say it. Judah is a 5 time world champion and even this version of him is good enough to stop him.

i said zabs chin is questionable, and always has been. depends on his mental state just like anything else in the ring. zab is a much harder fight for danny than khan ever could be I agree, but danny is the type of fighter that can make someone fight his fight, even a talented fighter like zab. I like zabs chances much better than khans, but i just dont know which zab will be there. but that fight is more dangerous than a khan fight ever could be. khans speed was killing garcia, yes, for the first 2 rounds before swifty started timing and countering khan, which seemed to be pretty easy, since khan thought he was mike tyson that night. rematch ends the same way, with a garcia victory. maybe not by KO, but by a win. khan cant hold danny at bay. a zab fight interests me, woulda interested me more 4-5 years ago, but still the greatest test to garcia to date, if SUPER zab shows up that is...

[Weebler I]

I think you're seriously confused about it.
He went 12 round because he was able to avoid big punches from Matthysse for the most part.
Judah poor defensive fighter with good chin? Huh...

Judah's not a good defensive fighter, that's why he hired Whitaker. It improved his defence but impaired his offense.

As for his chin, how many times has Judah been stopped or KO'd? he can take a punch and then some, he's no Khan on that front.

He didn't go 12 rounds with the big-punching Matthysse, he beat him over 12 rounds.

[SpeedKillz]

Judah's not a good defensive fighter, that's why he hired Whitaker. It improved his defence but impaired his offense.

As for his chin, how many times has Judah been stopped or KO'd? he can take a punch and then some, he's no Khan on that front.

He didn't go 12 rounds with the big-punching Matthysse, he beat him over 12 rounds.

well, zab got the W, yes. but to say that he beat him is a matter of opinion, cause i had matthyse winning that fight...

[Silencers]

Yes, I think so. Garcia doesn't really push the pace in his fights and Judah throws straighter shots and I believe Judah has quicker hands, even though he is the older guy so I think he can catch Garcia before Garcia can catch him and he's not as reckless as Khan so I think Judah can either win a decision or by a sudden explosive knockout, catching Garcia with one of his patented uppercuts.

[Weebler I]

i said zabs chin is questionable, and always has been. depends on his mental state just like anything else in the ring. zab is a much harder fight for danny than khan ever could be I agree, but danny is the type of fighter that can make someone fight his fight, even a talented fighter like zab. I like zabs chances much better than khans, but i just dont know which zab will be there. but that fight is more dangerous than a khan fight ever could be. khans speed was killing garcia, yes, for the first 2 rounds before swifty started timing and countering khan, which seemed to be pretty easy, since khan thought he was mike tyson that night. rematch ends the same way, with a garcia victory. maybe not by KO, but by a win. khan cant hold danny at bay. a zab fight interests me, woulda interested me more 4-5 years ago, but still the greatest test to garcia to date, if SUPER zab shows up that is...

I think Garcia wins a rematch v Khan too. It would take some serious tactical adjustment for Khan to win that fight and even then he'd be susceptible to a heavy shot.

But Garcia isn't stopping Judah like he stopped Khan, at best he hangs with Judah until the later rounds and beats him out on points.

well, zab got the W, yes. but to say that he beat him is a matter of opinion, cause i had matthyse winning that fight...

Matthysse finished stronger but Judah outboxed him for 7 rounds. That wasn't really my point though, my point was that Judah can take a punch, Garcia's power won't phase him.

[SpeedKillz]

I think Garcia wins a rematch v Khan too. It would take some serious tactical adjustment for Khan to win that fight and even then he'd be susceptible to a heavy shot.

But Garcia isn't stopping Judah like he stopped Khan, at best he hangs with Judah until the later rounds and beats him out on points.

fully agree. i dont think he is gonna stop judah like he did khan. but its not out of the realm of possibility that garcia can stop judah. judahs head is long out of the game, and if he eats a couple big shots, who knows where his mind may travel to. all in all, i like both fighters ALOT, and this fight would be very interesting, if i had to bet, Id bet on danny, but would not be surprised or upset if zab pulls it out...

[Weebler I]

Yes, I think so. Garcia doesn't really push the pace in his fights and Judah throws straighter shots and I believe Judah has quicker hands, even though he is the older guy so I think he can catch Garcia before Garcia can catch him and he's not as reckless as Khan so I think Judah can either win a decision or by a sudden explosive knockout, catching Garcia with one of his patented uppercuts.

that's how I see it too, although Garcia may be able to swing a decision if Zab gasses down the stretch.

It's a good fight, they should get it done.

[Silencers]

that's how I see it too, although Garcia may be able to swing a decision if Zab gasses down the stretch.

It's a good fight, they should get it done.

I can't really see Garcia outboxing Judah for a decision. I mean he doesn't lead with a jab all that much, when he does lead he leads with wide looping shots. He's not a high workrate type fighter and he's not a fighter that forces his opponents to fight at a high workrate which means Judah can dictate the pace behind his jab and speed. So I don't think Garcia can win a decision against Judah. Basically, the only way I think Garcia can win is if he catches Judah blind like he did with Khan but as I said before, the older, more mature version of Judah is not nearly as reckless as Khan.

[Weebler I]

I mean seriously, what fight did you see Judah getting punished and not stopped because of his chin?

Judah can take a lot of punishment. Against Cotto, Clottey, Mayweather and Matthysse he took some huge shots but was able to battle on.

It was only Kostya Tzyzu who actually KO'd him and he got up from that too.

As I said, Garcia's power won't phase him.

As to Judah's chin versus his defensive ability, ask Max Kellerman:

Almost any fighter is in trouble when hit directly on the chin with a good punch. This leads to a confusing conclusion: Zab Judah, a fighter who has made defensive maneuvers in the ring as spectacular as any seen in recent years, is a flawed defensive fighter. He is too easy to hit on the chin. Sharmba Mitchell, a slick southpaw like Judah, doesn't have Zab's remarkable, did-you-see-that defensive moves, and lacks Zab's natural ability. However, Mitchell's chin was not as easy for Tszyu to find as Zab's was.

It's not the chin, it's the holes in his defense. However, it's unlikely a tough but limited fighter like Garcia will be able to expose them.

Anyway, you're entitled to your opinion. I have Judah beating Garcia, and I hope the fight is made.

[thepower]

If it was a 6 round fight, then maybe.